Originally Posted by benbaxter
Originally Posted by kanisatha
Originally Posted by benbaxter
Saying she is evil because she seems to be sworn to an evil god is a real slippery slope.
Nope. Considering a Shar-worshipper to be evil is an eminently reasonable, proper and correct thing to do in the context of the Forgotten Realms setting. NOT considering a Sharran to be evil, and excusing and rationalizing their being a Sharran is what's a slippery slope.

Would you say the same of everyone who worships and/or provides tithes to Umberlee?

Originally Posted by Lemurion
Now, based on what I've seen from both my play-throughs and various videos, it appears that Shadowheart may not actually be evil. There are situations where you literally read her mind and her thoughts are more appropriate for a good character than an evil one. At the same time, you're absolutely right in that she's a cleric of Shar and that means evil.

To me that means the only logical course of action is to start off by considering her as evil, regardless of what I find out later. At the beginning, the only valid opinion a character can have is that she's evil. As other evidence comes in, it's perfectly reasonable to question whether she's actually evil, brainwashed, or something else based on the evidence. But if you accept the later evidence that she might not truly be evil, you have to accept the initial evidence that she should at the very least be treated as evil when you first meet her.

I bolded the important part of the quote. At the beginning, the PC doesn't know that she worships Shar. In fact, it is Impossible to know that she worships Shar until after you have earned her favor by doing GOOD things that she approves of.

You as someone who has played through the game in EA have metagame knowledge that the PC does not. It is illogical for the PC to assume she is evil until later in their relationship.

I think Kanisatha's problem, and the problem of many hough not all other people who don't like the companions and think they're too evil isn't an in character one, its entirely based on the fact he as a player has that information and does not want to spend his time in a game that's supposed to be fun consorting with someone he considers morally reprehensible.

As for the difference between worshippers of Shar and Umberlee, to be a Sharran you have to have betrayed and murdered somebody, ideally a loved one. I don't think Umberlee has that same requirement. Thoughni too would like to hear his rationale. And regarding knowing Shadowheart is a Sharran, any have pointed out that onyx disks on her armor are pretty big give aways. And I'm inclined to agree based on the fact we know she's a cleric and if the only identifying aspect of her armor is stone sacred to a deity, that's a pretty strong hint in-charscter.