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I must be the only one on Earth who can not stand minsc, Or at least the voice acting in BG2 ugh . I don't have any strong feelings towards Minsc (or Jaheira for that matter). To me Minsc is just comic relief coming from a stereotypical hero with an extra-extra dose of stupidity and a hamster (alien?xD) companion. I love BG1 and 2 but in terms of characters I think they improved quite a bit on KOTOR and then DA:O and ME
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The thing I've heard from people that have actually played the game is that on act 2 and onwards characters and your relation with them changes a lot.
And in case you don't know there's also hirelings now, wich is also a hot topic right now because they lack the customization people expected.
Also if you really dislike companion there's also a new origin called Dark Urge and I don't think you'll have many companions if you don't mind ''evil'' playthroughs xD It gets good after 20+ hours? Oof... not a selling point for me. Been reading about hirelings... so far they look like a bunch of more of the same overly gimmicky. Dark Urge and Kerlach are TOTAL turn offs to me... more edge lord... "ooh we're EEEEVIL" stuff... no interest. On the good news front Minsc is back (hopefully with his miniature giant space hamster boo in tow) and Jeheira... more of this please. Eh? Karlach is one of the good alligned companions. She's just a war veteran on the run. Hard to be cheery like that. Do you perhaps mean Minthara (drow paladin)?
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apprentice
Joined: Dec 2020
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Eh? Karlach is one of the good alligned companions. She's just a war veteran on the run. Hard to be cheery like that. Do you perhaps mean Minthara (drow paladin)? Could be. I’ve only been catching up a day or two now. Is it possible that Karlach was a non-recruitable quest giver at one point?
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enthusiast
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Joined: Mar 2020
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Eh? Karlach is one of the good alligned companions. She's just a war veteran on the run. Hard to be cheery like that. Do you perhaps mean Minthara (drow paladin)? Could be. I’ve only been catching up a day or two now. Is it possible that Karlach was a non-recruitable quest giver at one point? She was exactly that, a quest related to some ''paladins of Tyr''. She's a beefy tiefling origin character. The other character mentioned is a drow paladin companion.
Last edited by Adgaroth; 18/07/23 03:55 AM.
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Joined: Jul 2023
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"...Minthara became companions by public demand"
BY THAT STANDARD, THIS GAME SHOULD BE CALLED "GOBLIN EMANNUELLE: THE AWAKENING OF SAZZA!!".
Seriously, where is Sazza as a romanc option for evil Gnomes and Halflings, let alone a permanent travelling companion, unlike that sour karen Minthara or Halsin, the ambulant trophy rug.
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apprentice
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Eh? Karlach is one of the good alligned companions. She's just a war veteran on the run. Hard to be cheery like that. Do you perhaps mean Minthara (drow paladin)? Could be. I’ve only been catching up a day or two now. Is it possible that Karlach was a non-recruitable quest giver at one point? She was exactly that, a quest related to some ''paladins of Tyr''. She's a beefy tiefling origin character. The other character mentioned is a drow paladin companion. Yeah, looks like I confused the two. The article I read was drooling over the "ooh eeevil" lady character you could recruit. I think I just would be happy with some more balance. Larian leans WAY too much on the edge lordy characters. It would be nice if there was an equal amount of genuine good guys to hang out with...
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Joined: Aug 2020
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For myself I really enjoy all the characters - I am most excited about:
Karlach because she seems like she has a compelling story to tell and she acts like someone who has a new lease on life and wants to not waste a moment of it.
Shadowheart because I think she did something very drastic to save the world, and her backstory may be completely insane. The courage it must have taken to give up your own memories to go on a life or death mission.
Astarion because of his really inappropriate sense of humor informed by his own past suffering.
Gale I have the most trouble with because I don't think he is being honest about a lot of stuff, maybe even to himself.
The problem is that Larian wrote characters with their own internal locus of control and motivations and I think many players have been spoiled by gaming companies that have presented characters that base their existence around you.
With these characters there is an equality to the interactions that to some must be jarring. There is a larger conversation here where I would point the finger at these AAA studios who have created games that pander too much to gamer whims instead of challenging them properly. They create unrealistic characters - I wonder if that has an effect on how they interact with people irl and the ability to form friendships. I actually like all the companions, but saying they have their own internal locus of control doesn't really mesh with the fact they thoughtlessly follow us and our lead for no other reason than because out of game,we're the main character. If they were written like their own people, Lae'zel would have left our party once she interrogated Zorru and Gale would be pointing out that he helped us get some of those artefacts he needs and by rights he has a claim on some of them himself. Honestly, I don't find them written meaningfully differently from any other videogame companions.
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I must be the only one on Earth who can not stand minsc, Or at least the voice acting in BG2 ugh . I don't like him and never used him after one playthrough.
Last edited by fylimar; 18/07/23 05:53 AM.
"We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one."
Doctor Who
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Joined: Jul 2023
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I must be the only one on Earth who can not stand minsc, Or at least the voice acting in BG2 ugh . I don't like him and never used him after one playthrough. I agree. That shouty lummox. Sarevok FTW!
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"...Minthara became companions by public demand"
BY THAT STANDARD, THIS GAME SHOULD BE CALLED "GOBLIN EMANNUELLE: THE AWAKENING OF SAZZA!!".
Seriously, where is Sazza as a romanc option for evil Gnomes and Halflings, let alone a permanent travelling companion, unlike that sour karen Minthara or Halsin, the ambulant trophy rug. I wouldn't mind romancing Sazza as a Half-Orc myself.
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While there were people calling for Sazza as companion, the Halsin- aund Minthara-fans were much louder. They were basically everywhere. I remember playing SWTOR with some people from my guild and out of nowhere this girl said :'Wouldn't it be cool, if Halsin were a romanceable companion?'
And I mean here in this forum was this guy, who kept all Minthara threads (and there were a lot of them) alive. And of course Icelyn fighting the Halsin fight.
I read over the course of EA some threads about Sazza as companion and even some about Abdirak, the Loviatar priest as companion, but the Halsin and Minthara ones were the most persistent imo.
"We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one."
Doctor Who
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I actually like all the companions, but saying they have their own internal locus of control doesn't really mesh with the fact they thoughtlessly follow us and our lead for no other reason than because out of game,we're the main character. If they were written like their own people, Lae'zel would have left our party once she interrogated Zorru and Gale would be pointing out that he helped us get some of those artefacts he needs and by rights he has a claim on some of them himself. Honestly, I don't find them written meaningfully differently from any other videogame companions. I wouldn't say they thoughtlessly follow you - they will leave if you do stuff that doesn't mesh with their moral outlook - as is tradition in BG games. I was mainly agreeing with Vitani on his criticism of the OP. The OP was complaining about the characters being "verbally abusive" - and Vitani was asking for examples and then OP lost his mind. But I reviewed all the interactions and the closest you have is Lae'zel calling you Istick (meat) when you first meet her. Shadowheart is a bit standoffish but not verbally abusive. She chides you if you are not consistent with your opinion on Raphael - maybe that's it...because she basically calls you out for simping. I may need to do a playthrough where I choose all the worst possible options to see if I can make the characters be verbally abusive but I don't think it's really there. I think when we play the full game we are going to see a lot more depth on these characters than the usual fare.
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"...Minthara became companions by public demand"
BY THAT STANDARD, THIS GAME SHOULD BE CALLED "GOBLIN EMANNUELLE: THE AWAKENING OF SAZZA!!".
Seriously, where is Sazza as a romanc option for evil Gnomes and Halflings, let alone a permanent travelling companion, unlike that sour karen Minthara or Halsin, the ambulant trophy rug. I wouldn't mind romancing Sazza as a Half-Orc myself. Yeah I had a guy in a multi game that was OBSESSED with banging Sazza. We tried our best but it just didn't work out to his disappointment. I mean, I think you don't need to make her a companion but a romance option would be pretty funny. I don't see her as the 'relationship' type anyway - she seems more of a "short term engagements" kind of gal. Also as a Half-Orc I think your parents would both be shocked at your relationship choices - they'd probably want you to find a nice Orc or Human Gal. The Holidays would be a disaster with Orcs and Goblins AND humans in the same room. Then there is viability...
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Joined: Oct 2021
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Okay clarification:
Are goblins vermin or fully sapient beings? Because some people on this forum talk about goblins like they’re innately evil rodents, and others talk about them like they’re people.
Remember the human (This is a forum for a video game):
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Okay clarification:
Are goblins vermin or fully sapient beings? Because some people on this forum talk about goblins like they’re innately evil rodents, and others talk about them like they’re people. D&D says they are monsters. Take that as you will. If they are capable of thought and are aware of "being" then they are, by our worlds definition, sapient. Nobody had problems accepting Deekin as a sapient being because he was, what most consider, good. Other times kobold were just seen as vermin. If Sazza was a good goblin people's take on them as a race would change I believe.
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Not considering a creature sapient is a very easy way to alleviate one conscience when committing genocide on them.
On earlier editions monster where just evil monster there to be killed.
Now for some people saying Orcs, Goblins or Drow are inherently evil is heresy and every race can be anything, sapient and any alignment between good and evil.
At the end of the day is all about mental gymnastics and whether you as a player can detach reality from fiction.
Goblins on BG3 are quite obviously sapient and evil, that's pretty much the only fact I can give xD
Last edited by Adgaroth; 18/07/23 03:19 PM.
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Okay clarification:
Are goblins vermin or fully sapient beings? Because some people on this forum talk about goblins like they’re innately evil rodents, and others talk about them like they’re people. Both, most Goblins are like evil toddlers, touching and breaking stuff that they shouldn't be touching or breaking, they're like cats that would knock over something after you told them not to, the majority of goblins are evil however, you could potentially get a good goblin if you take a goblin child and raise it in a human society rather than a goblin one, there is like three categories of goblins Evil Goblins: your standard run of the mill Goblins Good Goblins: Human raised Goblins aka City Goblins and then there's what we cultured folks refer to as Shortstacked Goblins: the category that Sazza fits under aka the Hot Female Goblins with nice assets... which could be from either one of the above categories
Last edited by Sai the Elf; 18/07/23 03:36 PM.
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Okay clarification:
Are goblins vermin or fully sapient beings? Because some people on this forum talk about goblins like they’re innately evil rodents, and others talk about them like they’re people. Both, most Goblins are like evil toddlers, touching and breaking stuff that they shouldn't be touching or breaking, they're like cats that would knock over something after you told them not to, the majority of goblins are evil however, you could potentially get a good goblin if you take a goblin child and raise it in a human society rather than a goblin one, there is like three categories of goblins Evil Goblins: your standard run of the mill Goblins Good Goblins: Human raised Goblins aka City Goblins and then there's what we cultured folks refer to as Shortstacked Goblins: the category that Sazza fits under aka the Hot Female Goblins with nice assets... which could be from either one of the above categories So to some the merit of a goblin's life is merely rooted in whether or not they want to fuck it?
Remember the human (This is a forum for a video game):
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Joined: Oct 2020
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It boils effectively down to whether you believe in free will or in predetermined nature.
I'm firmly in the predetermined camp and thus consider goblins and their ilk (bugbears, hobgoblins, etc.) vermin to be eradicated.
Goblins are basically cruel, destructive, delight in torture those who are weak and/or helpless without any redeeming quality whatsoever.
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Okay clarification:
Are goblins vermin or fully sapient beings? Because some people on this forum talk about goblins like they’re innately evil rodents, and others talk about them like they’re people. So the Key is that 5e did away with Innate evil for non-outsiders. They replaced it with Cultural Evil. The Githyanki are Culturally lawful evil. Goblins are Culturally Neutral Evil. As long as Goblins and Githyanki remain in their societies they will likely remain those cultural alignments. If they leave then those alignments can shift. A Goblin living in baldur's gate will likely be more Neutral than evil, or they at least understand what is expected of them. A Githyanki away from thier Creche or Society will start to drift as well. Innate evil is Demons, Devils, Yugoloths. They CANNOT change alignment without becoming something different entirely. They are literally made of their versions of evil. When Zariel fell and became lawful Evil her type changed from Celestial to Fiend and she is now considered a Devil.
Last edited by Blackheifer; 18/07/23 03:58 PM.
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