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At this point the Tavs talking amongst themselves and blocking out all the Aholes is probably a god send.

You have to go to the subreddit for that. We articulating our positions up in here.

Counterpoint: denying Gale to join while roleplaying a good character just doesn't work for me. It's really annoying. Astarion gives you a good reason to say "fuck off" multiple times.

Companions doing nothing while Astarion attacks you really sets the tone for later problems, though. Can't switch characters in conversation, apparently. Could have written those scenes better.

As long as you like it. It's the nuclear button for all post encounter "was this really the best decision?" stuff that isn't like, goblin camp major plot points.

Didn't the exact same thing happen with Sebille in Larian's last game? They sure like this trope for some reason.

Some game companies recycle assets.
Larian recycles character moments.

Also glad to see I am not alone on the dislike character personalities.
Although some seem to like them.

I find them more tolerable than most probably. But, even I don't want to juggle all of them.

Most of all, Lae'Zel I can't get invested in and Gale... I don't even know. The more often I play the game, the more something about him raises my hackles. I fear Dragon Age may have honed my "instinctually suspect the freaking mage" instinct. There's more comfort without Gale in camp. Yet, he's also seemingly Larian's lore dumping ground. I don't quite believe nothing bad may happen if he solves his problem on his own

It feels as though Larian started making DOS3, got the rights to BG3 and exported the companions they started to make there to the game. It is really jarring on how un-D&D these characters feel. Wizards not feeling like wizards, Paladins out of place, Kinky vampires...

I am truly happy I am not the only one that sees it, I don't know what Larian was going for, but if what they were going for was a baby siter simulator, where you get to look after a bunch of grown adult children then they nailed it.

The characters are borderline intolerable, maybe I can collect enough potions that I can solo the game, also if you can collect mercenaries in Baldur's gate, like random party members you can make I will do that, sad as hell as I intended to get to to know them.

However it seems they don't want you to know them, and from what I have seen, I don't want to know them.

I will look deeper into Karlach and Halsin in full release.

Hopefully they aren't worthless.

When I go Dark Urge, I will look deeper into Minthara, Because as it stands she has zero romance, they went on and on about how complex the characters are going to be and how you can't just give them a gift or do one thing they like you and you romance them.

If the story remains as is, that was an outright lie, you meet Minthara, agree to do the raid, she immediately leaves to go do the raid, she disappears until it starts, she shows up for the raid, you kill everyone, she bangs you for it, you cannot talk to her otherwise, so you literally have to do one thing to romance her.

I killed a bunch of innocent people and that was it, hopefully there is more depth to her than that pathetic amount.

Because that is not complex at all, that is extremely simple, is the fight easy?

Yes it is actually if you have the right setup, everyone is rested, and you use the war horn for the ogres to come help you.

It is remarkably simple.

I quite like them ...after 507 hours of EA they grow on you a bit

I mostly agree. I don't particularly like Shadowheart but she's interesting and nuanced enough to pique my interest. The companions come across as so adversarial that they're just unlikeable. Writing was never Larian's strong suit, but I haven't tried new Wyll or Halsin. Hopefully they picked up on the often-voiced dissatisfaction with the EA companions and got in some other writers for the newer companions who are able to write likable and friendly personalities.

What true is true, and you said the truth! In this way or if it remains this way they are really not a "memorable" companions...
This is new to me, but joyful IF Larian rewrite them in better not in worst... (sadly there is always a chance for the second)
If you Go/Agree with Minthara after your "romance" with her you have chance to "see deeper" in her with the usual Illithid way and that show this hint shows maybe Larian also planned some "character development" with her just like the one what Viconia had in the original games.
But just as you said just to get her as a companion, and hope that some point she develop in the "better way"... is really a little bit too far from Viconia's situation!
In Minthara's case I really hope Larian consider to give a better way to "recruite" her... Maybe something like this: "You agree with her to the attack, but then reveal the plan to the Tieflings and in the battle capture her alive, than offer her to be your companion..." (BTW this isn't so far from their original, so not exactly a big work to rewrite that events in this way)

Oh yes, Dragon Age made me weary of mage companions, especially, If they like cats ( or flying cats).

I agree about Astarion, I find it hard to find a reason to not kill him. First he attacks you with a knife and then he tries to bite you in your sleep - I mean WTF?

My point was that you only need to take one action to romance her so they lied when they said you can't just do one thing to romance them because I did one thing (the goblin raid) and "romanced" her.

I believe that when they said that, they meant that it wouldn't be a one and done thing like in some games, sure, you can have sex with Minthara after the raid, but she isn't even a companion by then, I assume there's a lot more to the romance with her that we haven't seen. I wouldn't say just having sex once is the ultimate goal.

Still had to do considerably more work for every other companion.

Way more for Lae' Zel, Shadowheart, all of them really.

I sort of agree with the overall point even though I didn't find the characters to be completely annoying. All of the origin characters have some type of darker aspect to them that makes regular goody-two-shoes characters like Halsin seem refreshing in comparison. It's just kind of a tired trope to make characters seem like they have more depth than they actually do. Their abrasiveness doesn't really help either.

I think this is very much the result of people thinking they are above the tried "boring" archetypes like the good paladin, the wise wizard and the like. The problem is that you need these characters to convey a sense of normalcy and to root the action and make it relatable. If everyone is special then no one really is special. Extraordinary characters can only shine if you see them reflected in the ordinary.

And where's the problem? I think it's more interesting if there's variety to it, the other romances seem to follow the more traditional way of first getting closer to each other and then intimate, with Minthara, you barely know her and it feels more like casual rather than romantic sex, but after the scene it is implied that there could be more to it and that Minthara isn't one to open up easily. I think it's a great starting point, if you can live with the atrocities you had to do to get there.

I want to preface this by saying I began this entire thread by acknowledging this is EA so I expect a lot more in the full version.

Then I want to say I acknowledged in the original comment that it only bother me and they were only lying in the context of nothing changing, which I can't imagine she won't change drastically between EA and FR.

That said.

I mean you can think what you want I still call it a lie, I still had to do one thing for her and a truckload for everyone else, sex may not be romance but it kind of is by the standards of having to romance every other character for them to offer their respective scene to take place, but not her, they didn't say the characters will be complex, except this one.

So wheres the problem?

Lying.

Where's the problem?

Lack of complexity that Larian not I promised.

Lack of consistency in a world where Larian not I wanted to make the characters so complex, but they aren't they are just assholes.

As far as variety, speak for yourself, I was promised degrees of complexity I never asked for and never wanted, I paid the price for the game, I want delivered what was promised, it's that simple.

All of that said, once again this is EA and not FR as I prefaced so I am sure that will change.

But one character being basic while the rest aren't is stupid and once again lacks consistency in the characters they promised.

As far as I am concerned with how little they value you, all of the sex is casual, even after you have sex most of them still tell you, once you arrive in Baldur's gate they are long gone.

None make it more clear they have no real interest in you than Lae' Zel.

It's hardly romantic.