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Not at all ... Personaly i feel like i participated in too many topics about things that could ben better, things that were missing, and things that were removed, or changed ... some of them i even started ... to expect this to be Holy Grail of RPGs.  I hope it will be great game ... my expectations are high, but not high enough to call it hype.  Also ... Ben there, werent we? One old czech saying say: Only stupid children, burn themselves twice on the same stove. We got our lesson ... it was not pleasant, but maybe we needed it back then. :-/ There are a lot of stupid children in the world Rag
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That is something i cannot deny. :-/
But surely we will be fine. ^_^
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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I was going to post something similar. I don’t think there have been any great abundance of RPGs, especially CRPGs, over the past ten years. RPG of the decade isn’t actually as impressive as it sounds. Disco Elysium is probably BG3's strongest competition. Isnt DE more of a clicker, does it even have combat? RPGs don't have to have combat. CRPGs specifically *may* need combat, depending on your definition of CRPG. But in Disco Elysium you have stats, you roleplay as a character, you make choices whose success is determined by your stats+rng rather than player skill...it's solidly a RPG. Also technically yes, there are at least two instances of combat.
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Given CDProjekt put out a game on the Internet that was a misrepresentation of the advertised product, would we say every was...
Cyperpunk'd?
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I'm so glad I never got to play Cyberpunk because I'm suffering from motion sickness, preventing me from playing any first person only games.
Though apparently it was successful enough for a DLC, despite it's rough start.
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Disco Elysium is probably BG3's strongest competition. If I had to pick one DE would be my choice. I think its reactivity and skill system are most innovative I have seen. If there will be an RPG that from which others will draw, I think it will be DE. BG3 is easily an RPG with a biggest budget but I am doubtful of its longevity. Years will pass, cinematically will look even more stilted and dated than they do now.
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Look when was the last time we even had a proper rpg and not just an action adventure game devs tagged as an rpg? Wrath of the Righteous? A buggy mess whose back half was quarter baked without the cinimatic dialogue that tends to be the mainstay of modern rpgs.
Rpg of the decade isn't exactly a high bar.
Skyrim was over a decade ago I was going to post something similar. I don’t think there have been any great abundance of RPGs, especially CRPGs, over the past ten years. RPG of the decade isn’t actually as impressive as it sounds. I agree. I had high hopes for Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 , but after Brian Mitsoda left the project and it being in development hell, I'm not sure anymore.
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Yes agree with Tuco many of us have been on this train since EA launch - the hype is real. I just keep reflecting on Cass from fexlifes comment that those of us who have very high expectations are still underestimating it !
Now that is hype but great hype - I’m lucky enough to have gone through the golden age of 80’s movies but I’ve still waited for the rpg/d&D experience and I know this is it.
I’m at peak hype about now - but after waiting 35 years for this game I think I’ll excuse myself 😂
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I was going to post something similar. I don’t think there have been any great abundance of RPGs, especially CRPGs, over the past ten years. RPG of the decade isn’t actually as impressive as it sounds. Disco Elysium is probably BG3's strongest competition. Disco Elysium is a fun game, but it has a fixed protagonist. For me creating my own character is something I love in an rpg! DE is a game I played once, while BG3 I will play multiple times. BG3 has a much bigger scope.
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I was going to post something similar. I don’t think there have been any great abundance of RPGs, especially CRPGs, over the past ten years. RPG of the decade isn’t actually as impressive as it sounds. Disco Elysium is probably BG3's strongest competition. Disco Elysium is a fun game, but it has a fixed protagonist. For me creating my own character is something I love in an rpg! DE is a game I played once, while BG3 I will play multiple times. BG3 has a much bigger scope. Yes, I prefer to create my own character too. As much as I like Geralt of Rivia for example, having read some of the books and all, I can never relate to him, like I can relate to my Tav, Warden, Malkavian, Revan etc.
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No. Players have had 3 years to get an idea about the game.
If they have really enjoyed it during EA I think they should be hyped for release.
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I agree. I had high hopes for Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 , but after Brian Mitsoda left the project and it being in development hell, I'm not sure anymore. I have buried that game and have no expectations it will come out now. Such a disappointment. Paradox is really one of the worst offenders when it comes to creating bad video games. Rag is still holding out hope. Poor Rag.... I miss Troika, they did good work.
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I agree. I had high hopes for Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 , but after Brian Mitsoda left the project and it being in development hell, I'm not sure anymore. I have buried that game and have no expectations it will come out now. Such a disappointment. Paradox is really one of the worst offenders when it comes to creating bad video games. Rag is still holding out hope. Poor Rag.... I miss Troika, they did good work. I love Temple of Elemental Evil, but it wouldn't have been much without the Circle of Eight mod fixes to make it work properly. The release was a buggy mess that was next to impossible to play.
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I agree. I had high hopes for Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 , but after Brian Mitsoda left the project and it being in development hell, I'm not sure anymore. I have buried that game and have no expectations it will come out now. Such a disappointment. Paradox is really one of the worst offenders when it comes to creating bad video games. Rag is still holding out hope. Poor Rag.... I miss Troika, they did good work. As sad as this makes me, given that Bloodlines is my favorite game ever, but I guess, you might be right.
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I agree. I had high hopes for Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 , but after Brian Mitsoda left the project and it being in development hell, I'm not sure anymore. I have buried that game and have no expectations it will come out now. Such a disappointment. Paradox is really one of the worst offenders when it comes to creating bad video games. Rag is still holding out hope. Poor Rag.... I miss Troika, they did good work. I love Temple of Elemental Evil, but it wouldn't have been much without the Circle of Eight mod fixes to make it work properly. The release was a buggy mess that was next to impossible to play. The problem with Bloodlines 2 is, that they fired the lead writer, who made the first one such a masterpiece. You can't fix that with mods. And to get back in topic: with Bloodlines 2 out of the way, there is really no Game, I'm so excited about as BG3.
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I agree. I had high hopes for Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 , but after Brian Mitsoda left the project and it being in development hell, I'm not sure anymore. I have buried that game and have no expectations it will come out now. Such a disappointment. Paradox is really one of the worst offenders when it comes to creating bad video games. Rag is still holding out hope. Poor Rag.... I miss Troika, they did good work. I love Temple of Elemental Evil, but it wouldn't have been much without the Circle of Eight mod fixes to make it work properly. The release was a buggy mess that was next to impossible to play. True, very very true. Circle of Eight are heroes in my book. However, the backbone of a great game was in Temple of Elemental Evil and Troika did some amazing work - enough so that a dedicated group of Crazy D&D modders fixed the problems AND built new modules for it because they saw what Troika was trying to do. I just think they ran out of resources and had to ship something. They had a good design philosophy. I mean look at the games they made. Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura 2001 The Temple of Elemental Evil 2003 Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2004 All solid hits, and decades later are still considered Classics. I played ToEE and Bloodlines again just this last year. Both were amazing!
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I agree. I had high hopes for Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 , but after Brian Mitsoda left the project and it being in development hell, I'm not sure anymore. I have buried that game and have no expectations it will come out now. Such a disappointment. Paradox is really one of the worst offenders when it comes to creating bad video games. Rag is still holding out hope. Poor Rag.... I miss Troika, they did good work. I love Temple of Elemental Evil, but it wouldn't have been much without the Circle of Eight mod fixes to make it work properly. The release was a buggy mess that was next to impossible to play. True, very very true. Circle of Eight are heroes in my book. However, the backbone of a great game was in Temple of Elemental Evil and Troika did some amazing work - enough so that a dedicated group of Crazy D&D modders fixed the problems AND built new modules for it because they saw what Troika was trying to do. I just think they ran out of resources and had to ship something. They had a good design philosophy. I mean look at the games they made. Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura 2001 The Temple of Elemental Evil 2003 Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2004 All solid hits, and decades later are still considered Classics. I played ToEE and Bloodlines again just this last year. Both were amazing! I do agree. I'm sure you probably tried the Temple+ mod with ToEE, but it really adds to all the work Circle of Eight did. Personally, I've played ToEE for years and years, just like I'm now playing BG3. I couldn't even tell you how many hours I have in ToEE.
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