Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Changing origin characters' level 1 classes should be an option

I'm totally ok that players can respec origin characters so that they gain more freedom choosing their companions. But narratively speaking, the level 1 classes of the origin characters should be remained as what they are. For example, I just can't imagine shadowheart talking about her goddess all the time while she is a wizard. This would definitely make her scenes very strange.

I know not all players care about this, but respec level 1 should at least be an option which players could choose to enable or not.

To be fair Shadowheart is not a good example here, because everyone can be devout enough to go on a mission from their deity, but I do get your point and I do agree with it.

Origin characters, even as companions, should not be stripped of thier base class.

No it really really really shouldnt, thats what you got custom characters for. The Origin characters are the classes tyhey are, because well its intrinsic to who they are as people, their background and lifestory. Its also baked into their dialogue and who they are as a character. If you change Wylls or Shadowhearts class, they stop being that character, and 70% of their dialogue is wasted....

Just don't change the class. Your best bet.

Not necesarily ...
As debated here:
https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=861441#Post861441

(And some other, older topics.)

This option will be there no matter if Larian includes it or not ...
If you respec, just pick same first level as before and voila!

Or Wyll and Mizora for that matter, the only other class aside from Warlock that would involve him getting it on with Mizora would be Bard, due to the reputation of the class being known for being horny.

Shadowhearts entire character is about her probably not being a cleric of shar

Any class can be horny if you role play hard enough.

But as the poll result shows, 61% doesn't think it's ok...

And I guess I know why since I'm one of them. Though it won't be a problem if we just pick the same class as you said. But we know the game could potentially "break" if we just only choose some absolutely normal options, and this gives us an unsettling feeling. It is like a bug, if you don't trigger it, then there won't be a problem. But to know it is there is unacceptable for many of us. And the only difference between this and a bug is how severe it is. And like I said, though many people don't care about that, but some of us do...

But she has to be one before the true story reveals, right?

61% of 120 people ...
Wich makes it like ... 0.0005% of all players if i count corectly?
(Google claim there was 2.8M copies sold.)

Yeah ... not relevant really.
There is also question in order how many of them still stands with their decision ... if you read discusion some claim that they changed their mind.
That both is btw why i didnt take my poll for the same seriously ... fun thing tho, numbers there was quite different. :P

The way i see it, there are two types of people ...

One will never meet this "misstake" ... since its not a bug ... bcs they will respect that zheir Astarion is lvl 1 Rogue, even if he will be lvl 11 Paladin ...
And it will feel corect to them, even tho its just as wrong as jusz making him Paladin put right.

Second ... will simply dont care.

That is all in your head ...
I feel sory for you, but not enough to let it ruin my game.

You have option to make it perfectly the way you like it ... you ofc can refuse to use it, but the way i see it ... exactly at that point you loose any right to complain about it.
Many people stand in fire and complain it burns ... dont be one of them, be better.

Potentially.

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Dude, do you know sth called "sampling survey"? Also I guess less than "0.00025%" of all players think "it's fine and it should or could be implemented"... I hope you are not serious...


And one thing I really don't understand is that you all tell me "if you don't like it, then just dont't use it", and it is not wrong for a game to have more freedom. But adding an option in the game menu is also adding more freedom, and I don't know why you are against it. All I ask is one more option, and if you don't like it, just don't use it. I'm not ruining anyone's game. Actually, it would surprise me if your game experience were ruined by an option.

Cleric? Not at all ...
Worshiper, yes.

But that is entirely different case.

Free your mind of shacles of Class ... your character can be much more than their abilities!
Count with me ...

Why Shadowheart cant be Shar worshiping Paladin?
Why Shadowheart cant be Shar worshiping Shadow Druid?
Why Shadowheart cant be Shar worshiping Rogue?
Why Shadowheart cant be Shar worshiping Shadow Monk?
Why Shadowheart cant be Shar worshiping Sorcerer?
See? It works.

But since this isnt my first rodeo i allready hear you saying:
"But there are other classes, that dont fit so well!"
And you are corect ... it would be quite odd for her to be a Wizard ... since Shar and Mystra are not exactly besties.

But i would like to point out two counterarguments:
1) This is choice you allways make willing and by choice ... there is no way for your Shadowheart to "accidentally" become ... well, whatever you dont like.
And even if you would somehow manage to break her by accident ... you can allways just reset her again and start over. :P
2) We are talking about game where you can be kind and benevolent Life Cleric of Bhaal ... or psychotic murdering Cleric of Tyr ...
So ... what kind of roleplay consistency are you even defending here?


Sure ...
More than that, i even know what that is! Meaning i know exactly the reasons why it cant be aplied here.

If you want to know them aswell, i listed them several times here on forum.
And if you dont want to search, wich i understand ... the biggest one is written right there in that poll topic.
I believe it was mentioned by mrfuji3, not sure tho.

I am ...
But i never said this.

Personaly i see it more like around 99,9995% of players either dont give a shit, or just dont care enough to express themselves.
You know, facts.

On the contrary ...
Im arguing for that option!

It doesnt matter to me at all if i need to unlock and confirm it trough several settings ...
As long as i am ABLE anyhow ... to make my Astarion Paladin, im fine.:)

1) you want to be able to make your Astarion Paladin, and I want to be able to NOT BE ABLE to do such a thing. Because I want to play this game with this kind of limitations, because just knowing I could do these stuffs makes the game less immersive.

2) what you can do in the game is one thing, what the NPCs are allowed to do is another. A goblin NPC being kind? sure, then what's his story? what causes that? no reason? not cool.

you are right. Actually, there is no way we can determine which side is the majority and I shouldn't have said that. But we also can't be sure that most people are happy about this function. So the real problem is that some people, including me, are not happy as what it is right now.

Maybe you telling us "just stepping away from the fire" can't and won't solve the problem. Because maybe we are not complaining about the fire burning us, we are complaining about the fire being in existence.


At this point, I don't really know what's your stance anymore. If you agree with me, why offering a solution that doesn't actually solve my problem in the first place? You can't seriously believe that I don't know the fact that if I don't change sth then that thing won't be changed. Yet I am still complaining. Maybe I am exactly complaining that the option won't be there if Larian doesn't include it.

That's a long way of saying ''I don't want you to have a choice because if that choice is there it makes me sad''

on the contrary, what I am saying is I want everybody to have a choice. That's why I suggested an option. you like it, turn it on, you don't like it, turn it off.

My bad, I read the messages at the end of the post and didn't read the 1st message, completly agree, having options is good.

I get it man, but you are asking for a button to click in way to disable a second button. It feels more like a nuclear code lunch control than a game option. I mean, it doesn't hurt anybody to have it, but looks pretty pointless.

What button do you need? If you can do it, you have two options, do it or don't. And I don't plan on changing any companion/origin class but it doesn't affect me negatively in any way if it's there for others to use and enjoy.