Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General It's actually for everyone.

Alright I'm taking bets. Who's on the thread getting locked within the next:
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There is a tendency among many to oppose opinions of others instead of giving their own. And they present this 'opposition of opinion' as an opinion itself, while its most likely not. In this case one is forced to tailor their arguments to oppose another person's arguments, which automatically limits ones field of view on the subject matter in general. Thats why the whole discussion is so disconnected here sometimes, one just writes what they'd like, others perceive it as a claim to objectivity. While its not.

I don't know if this is a defense mechanism or something like this. What stands though is that the behavior is exorted by the majority of people who want to discuss things on the internet. Which kinda makes Them normally-functioning human beings, at least statistically... not to say I myself sometimes fall for the trap. Nothing wrong about reminding each other about the matter from time to time.

As for myself, I don't have anything elaborate to say on the matter. I've personally outgrown my ill-passion for the game during the last couple of weeks and feel much better about playing it in a couple of weeks than before.

I was among those who criticized the racial ASI changes and the removal of class restrictions, but now I feel like those are irrelevant to the general enjoyment of the product. Our brain is a marvelous machine that can let us look at shitty things at a positive angle. When I thought I can only enjoy the game properly if it had those restrictions in place, I was just not using my brain in a healthy way. A little bit of self-reflection can help you overcome the sharper edges of the game and turn your experience with it in an utter enjoyment

Okay, Tuco is taking a week's break from these forums after demonstrating how *not* to have constructive and respectful discussions with fellow members.

I keep getting timeouts so I'm struggling to review the rest of the thread properly, but it looks as though there might be a couple of other folks who could do with taking a couple of deep breaths. Hopefully by the time I check back in a bit the forum performance will be better and calm will be reigning, and I won't have to lock another thread today.

I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air.


Neprostoman said all that needs to be said here. Let's close her down.

Can you please un-ban Tuco? I truly think you are over-policing a bit. The new tendency of locking every thread with a smallest pop of heat is more harm then good. If we only use a friendly dictionary while discussing things, then it is no different from a bot talk. I hope my opinion does not make you upset.

Once you start making homophobic comments that usually warrants a ban on most platforms.

I am not going to publicly discuss decisions about banning or suspending members, but you can be sure it is never a decision I take lightly or without ample lead-up and warnings. And I am not going to change my decision.

And I am not locking threads at every pop of heat. As evidence: I have not locked this one.

I have locked a number of threads that have been necro-ed after a number of years, and a few where the very first post was unconstructive and not in line with the behaviour and language we expect on these forums, and because it is becoming unsustainable as we get busier for me to have to keep dealing with the kind of flak such unhelpful posts lead to. This is consistent with the approach being taken on Discord, too.

Given that we are feeling the need to enforce community rules more stringently at the moment in light of the increased volume of problem posts (which is not to say that the rules have changed, only that we are perhaps being a bit less lenient about people or posts who break them) I have given this explanation publicly. But I would also remind everyone that arguing with moderator decisions in thread is also not something we can encourage. I am not infallible and am open to constructive feedback, but please PM me.

I can be pretty frank and definitely am not the warmest, friendliest poster, but even I know it is still possible to be cordial and avoid making posts both caustic and personal without sounding like bots. That’s just civil conversation, right? There is a lot of wiggle room between a conversation being sanitized to the point of sterility and naked disrespect for others.

Look chaps, chapettes,

This was a revival of a doomed thread. By my hand, and pretty much only because I was too vain to just let my otherwise doomed post slide into the Planes of non-Existence. I doubt my original post contributes to a meaningful thread in the first place. And that was never the intention, it was more to close an existing one, which had already closed.

I too wish certain things were different, and that's fine.
Perhaps it's *not* for everyone - and that's fine, too.
But if it's largely for you and you spent money on it, dedicated time and energy in it - try to enjoy it. Focus on you having fun it with the things that *are* for you, rather than at everything you hoped was different. You're ruining your own good time.

To get back to the topic, I was among those who responsed to same thread the OP was quoting before that one was locked, and I'll paraphrase what I said there:

I am a fan of the originals and a fan of classic RPGs. I've been that for decades. My first games of this kind were Dungeon Master, Wizardry 7 and Realms of Arkania. I was there when Fallout came out, when BG1 was the new big thing, I played BG2 to exhaustion, then Dragon Age, Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2, BG1/2 EE, the Pathfinder games and many more. And I have been a tabletop GM for longer than all that. I do not know about "everyone" since I am not everyone, but BG3 is definitely for me.

Do I think it will be perfect? No. Will it do everything my ideal game would do? No. Do I have some concerns? Yes. But I think the things I might criticize will be minor compared to everything BG3 will do right.

I think some people who criticize BG3 - or what they think it will be like since nobody really knows the full picture as yet - make too much of what they perceive as flaws.

Why should I think BG3 is not for me?

Turn-based combat? Not a choice I would've made. I even have some concerns about it incentivizing ambushes too much and I really don't like the lack of free movement during combat. But I'm reasonably certain I can make it work for me. If you're an old RPG gamer, you should be so adaptable by this point. There were times when every game of this kind was turn-based. And you know....it worked.

Adherence to a specific ruleset? Man, I've played so many rulesets. Here's the thing: Rulesets don't matter for roleplaying. It would take some effort, but BG3 could be translated into a different system with the world and its lore, the characters and the story all intact. All right, the rules matter more in a CRPG than in tabletop, since our arbitrator is a non-intelligent piece of software with no appreciation for storytelling, but it still doesn't matter what exact mechanics are used, as long as the probability distribution of decisions made the by dice is convincing. So being fundamentalist about rules makes no f***** sense, and in all those years mentioned above I have played not a single game session with no house rules. I don't like all of BG3's rules. I don't even like all of D&D's rules. In fact, I would've chosen a completey different ruleset were this my campaign. But if lore, characters and story are good, that is anything from a minor concern to completely irrelevant. If I sit down to play BG3, I am not playing D&D, I am playing a character in a fictional world experiencing story events and acting on them, and the best compliment I could ever give a videogame is "It is so immersive that it makes me forget the game mechanics".

Banging the bear? I won't do it and I don't care for it, but it'll be five seconds in a game of 200 hourse. Why the heck should I complain because a game has a few seconds of content that does not interest me?

Romance in general? I'm usually critical of people who place too much importance on this element, but I like that it's there and have occasionally engaged with it and liked it. I laugh about most romance scenes but they have gotten better over the years.

So yes, IMO BG3 is definitely for people like me. Not all, obviously. But that post that said it would be neither for fans of classic RPGs nor for fans of the originals? Well.....BS.

All of that. Every word of it.

But every one of us is judging the game according to what we prefer, that is normal. I don't care about humans being nerfed, because I don't play humans, I do care about the change in multiclassing, because I multiclass a lot. I still fight for a gnome or halfling companion, while both races are at the bottom of popularity. I don't care, because I want it.
When Tuco says he cares only about what he thinks is good and bad, he just voices, what we all do. I don't see any issue with that at all. ( And I'm sad to see him banned, he can be harsh, but he has often good posts).

Just as a general statement, most of us are prone to subjectivity, which is fine imo.

When all you care about is your own opinion, it gets really hard to find joy in anything, because almost noting will ever match your opinions completely.

You did misunderstand me: I said, that we are all looking after what we subjectively prefer ( or not). That doesn't mean, that this has to be fullfilled a hundred percent. It means, that I more likely care about representation of smaller races and implimentation of multiclassing than stats of humans or how a paladin can be played. That doesn't mean, I won't enjoy the game, because they didn't implemented stuff like I want. The world isn't black and white 🤷

I was referring to tuco's quote at the top of the chain

You can care about your opinion more and easily find joy in life. When you order food, do you take the one you like or the one thats considered tasty by some majority? Good if those two align, but if they don't, I can't see a reason for you to order the latter. And if you do, you'll try and remove those tomatoes that make you allergic.

Thats why I think that game IS for every one who can compromise with one's self. It doesn't mean you can't criticize what you like and wish it to be better.

My point was more about understanding where Larian are coming from. They have to make decisions and do what they think is best for the game. I don't like everything in the game or all the rule changes...there are certainly things that I find annoying. But I can understand and accept those things without letting them affect my enjoyment of the game. And I think nobody should be so overly bitter about a couple of issues that they don't play the game or allow those few issues to affect their enjoyment of the game.

I understand that, but that was basically, what Tuco said, that he probably will enjoy the game despite it's flaws from his persective in his first post here.
I have some criticism too, but I'm nevertheless very excited for the game and think, it will be great. I can still advocate for Helia or other stuff, I'm passionate about.
I mean my favorite game of all time, Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, has a lot of flaws and stuff, I don't like ( werewolf level, combat and sewers for example) and I play it to this day at least once a year.

Huh, things seem to get a bit out of hand.

I must say that I find OP’s argument very reductive. I think I agree that Larian tries to make a game with as wide appeal as possible. This is not universally a good thing, not in my book at least. My question would be “what does BG3 do well” and the answer would be “BG3 does a lot”. It’s a game that has something for everyone, but it doesn’t meant that everyone will find it satisfying.

That Baldur’s Gate3 has homebrew and mature content is not a problem in itself (though It wouldn’t be my preference to move BG IP into M rating - to me it’s like adding graphic sex scenes and violence to Middle Earth because people like Game of Thrones. It just feels off and out of place to me. More importantly Larian hasn’t convinced me that their story benefits from that level of gore and nudity. So far it feels unnecessary to me.

Similarly, Solasta has been brought by many as an example of what they see as better adaptation of 5e, and that has a lot of homebrew too - and some big balance problems! Issue with Larian homebrew so far has been is that it doesn’t interact well with established DND gameplay. It acts as simple alternative ruleset, rather than enhance the core. To me the result isn’t “you can play D&D, or you can play D:OS2-lite” - to me it’s just a very messy system.