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it's not that i don't like it. i don't eat it. i'm a veggie, remember? Yes. Ofcourse I do. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> But there are different... eh... "kinds". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Some don't mind eating products like cheese and eggs. Some don't mind eating seafood and fish. Some only eat veggies. Some don't even eat all kinda fruits and vegies. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> well, i don't eat any meat, be it red, poultry, or seafood. i don't drink milk or eat eggs, and i try to stay away from cheese, unless they are baked into something, like crackers or cookies or whatever. i'm still too busy and poor to be able to be that picky, but i'm trying. as soon as i am out of school and have more time to actually cook, i'll be able to be more vegan. oh, and that fruit thing sounds delicious! i want some!
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Is it because of the renit in cheese Faile? But, why (I am not being facicious - just curious) why not milk? Nothing had died...if you know what i am saying...and i don't think the animals are harmed...
The fruit thing - just a bit of lemon (the lemon is actually to prevent the apples ect from changinf colour...) and mix the honey in with some of the juice from the fruit... It is nice, if that is what you were talking about. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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dairy cows are treated just as badly... if not more.... look here. plus, veal calves come from dairy cows, the link talks about that too.
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That is sad...i wouldn't want to be a cow... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> Now i understand... I don't drink it anyway - i think it is yucky, and unnatural for us to drink mike of another creature...
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You're to nice, my dear. You're thinking of cows happy walking around in meadows and so... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
But the milk you buy at shops useally comes from big farms. Where they have hundreds of animals. Where the poor creatures can't move in the tiny cages they are stuck in. And they get milked with machines and computers. It's not about animals dieing, but animals suffering. Those poor creatures would be better of dead. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />
I couldn't agree more with faile.
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oops You girls ware to fast for lil'old me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />
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hmm....i remember one place that had rats...but that was in a food court..so i dont know....not many places have rats nowadays Handeefood's place does.....unless they inducted them into the "rat relocation-protection program"! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
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Faile - what about free range eggs? Or is it the fact they are (Technically) baby chickens? At least free range chickens have a better life, than being stuck in cages...
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That's the eggs I get. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Same with milk and meat. We get most of our food from local small farmers or from shops who sell food that comes from creatures who been treated "humanly". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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What about what they eat???? Becasue of this BSE thing...i found out that cows are actually eating other animal by products!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT MEANT TO EAT THAT!!!! They are herbivors... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
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i have a tasty story about free range eggs..... an old guy that used to come by the store to pick up some "scraps" for his pigs and chickens, told me he would bring me some free range eggs the following day, and he did so... ....except.... uh..he forgot to check and wash the eggs, before he put them in the tray....
Mmmmmmmm! they looked soooo yummy, all different colors with chicken sh#t all over them.....but oh well....I still took them home and made some for dinner, a nice three egg omlette with grape jelly! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> yummy!.... but the third egg, seemed a bit harder to crack, so i whapped it on the side of the pan, and "hell and tarnation".. ...didn't a friggen chicken plop right into the pan..... feathers and all..... Hmmmmmm, so much for that omlette... haven't had one since..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
true <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
the rest of the eggs were ok tho!
good thing i didn't want hard boiled! ug! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
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Faile - what about free range eggs? Or is it the fact they are (Technically) baby chickens? At least free range chickens have a better life, than being stuck in cages... indeed, free range animals have a much better life. and if you are going to eat meat (which i don't have a problem with, my issue is with the suffering of factory farmed animals) then i applaud going free-range. but from where i stand now, i can't justify eating free range (for myself). it seems to me if i ate free range meat, it'd be too easy to be at a restaurant and 'just this once' get a meat dish... things like that. it's just what i feel is the right thing for me to do right now.
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What about what they eat???? Becasue of this BSE thing...i found out that cows are actually eating other animal by products!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT MEANT TO EAT THAT!!!! They are herbivors... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> Yep, that's what those poor animals in those "factories" get fet. The ones I mean just eat grasses and flowers. And probably everything that just happens to be in that grass. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> And you didn't even mention that they put antibiotics and other stuff in that food. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
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i have a tasty story about free range eggs..... an old guy that used to come by the store to pick up some "scraps" for his pigs and chickens, told me he would bring me some free range eggs the following day, and he did so... ....except.... uh..he forgot to check and wash the eggs, before he put them in the tray....
Mmmmmmmm! they looked soooo yummy, all different colors with chicken sh#t all over them.....but oh well....I still took them home and made some for dinner, a nice three egg omlette with grape jelly! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> yummy!.... but the third egg, seemed a bit harder to crack, so i whapped it on the side of the pan, and "hell and tarnation".. ...didn't a friggen chicken plop right into the pan..... feathers and all..... Hmmmmmm, so much for that omlette... haven't had one since..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
true <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
the rest of the eggs were ok tho!
good thing i didn't want hard boiled! ug! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> This story belongs right up there with that commando mouse topic. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
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i have a tasty story about free range eggs..... an old guy that used to come by the store to pick up some "scraps" for his pigs and chickens, told me he would bring me some free range eggs the following day, and he did so... ....except.... uh..he forgot to check and wash the eggs, before he put them in the tray....
Mmmmmmmm! they looked soooo yummy, all different colors with chicken sh#t all over them.....but oh well....I still took them home and made some for dinner, a nice three egg omlette with grape jelly! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> yummy!.... but the third egg, seemed a bit harder to crack, so i whapped it on the side of the pan, and "hell and tarnation".. ...didn't a friggen chicken plop right into the pan..... feathers and all..... Hmmmmmm, so much for that omlette... haven't had one since..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
true <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
the rest of the eggs were ok tho!
good thing i didn't want hard boiled! ug! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> Jurak - you have gone bonkers... Grape Jelly, and eggs with chickens...coo coo...
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don't knock it till you've tried it.....oh ya grape jelly omlette! or french fries and honey, Mmmmmmm! peanut butter and banana, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> coffee and a smoke..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Ahhhh....!.
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there are plenty of other ways to get protien, but i don't think there is anything wrong with eating animals either. as i said before, my issue is with the conditions the animals are kept in and the suffering they endure. and johnson, a cow wouldn't need to be milked if she wasn't pregnant or nursing. they keep the animals constantly pregnant to keep them producing, and their udders become infected, enlarged and sore. from here: http://www.factoryfarming.com/dairy.htm"Regardless of where they live, however, all dairy cows must give birth in order to begin producing milk. Today, dairy cows are forced to have a calf every year. Like human beings, the cow's gestation period is nine months long, and so giving birth every twelve months is physically demanding. The cows are also forced to give milk during seven months of their nine month pregnancy. In a healthy environment, cows would live in excess of 25 years, but on modern dairies, they are slaughtered after just 3 or 4 years and then used for ground beef. With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day -- ten times more than they would produce in nature. The cows' bodies are under constant stress and they are at risk for numerous health problems."
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faile is right. Like I said before. The thing we don't like is the suffering of animals. And yes, humans are made to eat veggies and meat. But why do the creatures you get that meat from have to be tortured ? It's a fact that animals who can walk freely in meadows produce better looking and better tasting meat than the poor animals in those factories. The animals who walk freely don't have to fet chemicals to make the meat look good and juicy. And cows getting milked isn't their natural way? Do you really think they like it that some strange creatures that walk on two legs mess with their bodies? Nothing natural about that. It's humans who turned them into milkmachines. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />
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human babies or cow babies? human babies need human milk, not cow milk. cow babies are taken away from their mothers right away. females are raised to be more dairy cows, males are either raised as beef cows or as veal. veal: "The veal industry was created as a by-product of the dairy industry to take advantage of an abundant supply of unwanted male calves. Veal calves live for up to sixteen weeks in small wooden crates where they cannot turn around, stretch their legs, or even lie down comfortably. The calves are fed a liquid milk substitute which is deficient in iron and fiber and designed to make the animals anemic. It is this anemia which results in the light colored flesh which is prized as veal. In addition to this high priced veal, some calves are killed at just a few days old to be sold as low grade 'bob' veal for products like frozen TV dinners."
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yikes...thats mean....but babies have to drink milk.... A lot of babies these days are alergic to cowmilk or can't stand the lactose. Just becouse of the chemical mess humans made of it. They get powder milk or goatmilk. And even that's beside the point. Human babies should get human milk.
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