Originally Posted by Alodar
Originally Posted by Ixal
2. As this thread shows minmaxers will just seek something new to minmax and exclusively play that, so nothing has improved except flavour getting destroyed.

Min/maxers will always optimize. That is there nature.
The good news is I heard they are a very small part of the community.

Originally Posted by Ixal
And minmaxers were (are?) only a tiny amount of the RPG players,

So we really don't need to worry about them.


No my melodramatic interlocutor, no flavour was destroyed in 5e(2024).
Each race still has its own history, and culture and identity.
It's odd that you think all of that was tied to Stat bonuses.
Sadly we do have to worry about minmaxer because their constant whining about how their inability to play something without having "the biggest numbers" is someone elses fault instead of just their own convinces suits to turn role playing games into soulless number games which results in nonsense like Tasha or Larians floating ASI where piece by piece flavour gets sacrificed needlessly. Because as this thread shows minmaxer will just pick something else and will continue their whines and lies that only certain race/class combinations are viable.
It will not be long until racial special abilities will also be floating, destroying any form of racial identity.
WotC removal of half elves and half orcs as distinct races and "everyone can create hybrids" plan was already a step into that direction.