Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General Jaheira romance?

We're treating the old characters like hundreds of years haven't passed since we met them. Viconia could be a very different person since we last saw her. And so with Jaheria, who mellowed a little bit through the course of SoA, but who I wouldn't have pegged as having great love for a City. What was her quote, "Unnatural blight upon nature" was her quip whenever in a city map.

Growing is one thing. Completely changing who you are is different. People rarely fundamentally change like that.

Example: Drizzt has changed over the years but he is still fundamentally the same person. Will Viconia, Jaheira, Minsc, et al have changed and brought new baggage with them? Sure. But, if Minsc because a power mad Bhaal worshipper... there better be some epic tier A++++ writing to back that up. Is he a little sad that many of his friends are dead and gone? Sure.

I imagine Viconia is pregnant now, sitting around rubbing her large baby belly and smoking cigarettes with curlers in her hair these days.

Viconia could be a more introspective disciple of Shar, offering succor of sorts to those driders. Becoming a drider is supposed to be highly traumatic, it wouldn't be unlikely that Sharrans entice the odd broken few.

D&D deities have several aspects to them, represented by domains. Maybe Viconia is more about clarity from loss or comfort in anonymity than base evilness.

If anyone is interested in the official details about Viconia and Jaheira.

Ah, yes, everyone's favorite canonical actions of Viconia DeVir and her canonical relationship with canonical Bhaalspawn Abdel Adrian, beloved community fan favorite.

Ha. They gave Viconica a fire giant belt conviently taking away one of her main weaknesses. Only 8th level spells? But, after TOB, she is like level 30+ with access to epic spells. Shameful.

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Well, the Bhaalspawn saga had a pretty big impact on the entire world of the Forgotten realms.
Something had to happen and the main characters had to have names and friendly/enemy relationships with other characters.

We know that Abdel Adrian was a man and never had children.
So his love could not be Viconia or Aerie because both ended up pregnant during the romance.

Jaheira is the only viable option as their relationship ended up being a very loose partnership where they often didn't see each other for months at a time.

Look, you're not wrong but WoTC made every possible terrible decision in establishing that canon adventure.

My guess is that canon Viconia wasn't part of the main party and spent most of ToB in the pocket sphere.
That's why she never reached such a high level...

Don't even start Zerub

Well, Larian's hands are tied when it comes to some characters.
Their character and fate after ToB have already been determined, so they can't invent a new past.

It would be incredibly cool to meet still grieving Archduchess Viconia in BG3 and help her "move on".
After all, the players have training when they helped "move on" Jaheira

I'd expect that they would ignore most of the novelizations and approach it with a, "yeah, I traveled with him" or even just, "after the last grand duke died I left to do xyz."

Well, Larian is going to have to come up with either some clever way of dancing around the issue or cutting through that particular gordian knot with a retcon, because they *are* going to have to address it somehow in the game with Minsc, Jaheria, and who knows who else returning to the series. People hate Abdel. Larian knows this (otherwise the book you can find in-game wouldn't be so...vague...about the Bhaalspawn) Implementing Abdel as per the awful 'Murder in Baldur's Gate' canon would be a major let down for any returning players from the original games, so they have to have a plan worked out to address the elephant in the room. To do otherwise would be....incomprehensible, to say the least.

Their best bet is to just ignore the weird sexual stuff and random mistreatment of the companions, and leave it as vague as possible.
BG3 would always be more of a Final Fantasy type of sequel than a traditional one.The endings to ToB were all over the place. My main playthroughs were usual ascending to godhood and leaving a little demigod with his or her mother, but there were so many variations and possible combos that even if there wasn't a crappy novelization, there would still be very little they could do to juggle everyone's expectations.

As far as I know the only "canon" part is the name (Abdel Adrian), the gender (male) and that he also ended up as a fighter.
The books are *not* canon since other stuff directly disproves them (Minsc has nothing in common with his book version, for example).

Also, if memory serves, Abdel Adrian was one of the Predefined Characters in the original BG1 or possibly the TotSC expansion. He was not an invention of the book.


The fact that he is in Baldurs Gate and that Bhaal returns is not so bad (blame the Second Sundering which apparently lifted the seal on the essence).
Using that name, however, was a terrible decision and they should have stayed more vague during the adventure.

Kudos for remembering that Viekang should have survived ToB though, I was positively surprised that he was the one who attacked.

But Imoen is also alive and still young.
Why was Abdel recognized as a Bhaalspawn and Imoen not?

By the way, it's a shame that canonically Jaheira didn't reach lvl 18 druid during ToB.
Because then she would only age by a little over 10 years, so her appearance wouldn't change at all.
Although now it seems that she is a full druid in E5 and BG3.

I thought she had never really meshed with the tainted divine part of her soul. In ToB she was barely getting the basic powers you had from your first dreams all the way back in BG1.

I just assumed it was such a small bit that it wasn't enough to fully 'classify' her as baahlspawn. In game she didn't dust if she died, and she could live in your Pocket Dimension like Sarevok, who had a wisp of essence, and also no longer counted as Baahlspawn.

I mean if you are trying to rebuild a beach, and a couple grains of sand aren't accounted for, no one is going to call off the project.

Honestly it never seemed like Viekang had much either. I assumed that Abdel was the one who died in the battle which released the last significant soul and acted as a magnet for the rest of the energy to reconstruct itself.

Imoen wasn't around that day and her little piece wasn't enough to get sucked in with the rest. Again, grains of sand in a beach metaphor.

But that is all just one person's take on the story.

Trying to sort out the mess of that lore is difficult even when you don't take into account the mess around Imoen in the development stages of the game.