Originally Posted by AusarViled
Good as shown in games is generally a fully self absorbed desire to impose your own will to fix what is persumed as a problem in another individual without their consent. Eg: Paladin sees an orc arguing and yelling at a women, assumes the orc is attacking smites him under oath, later learns the orc was the husband and the argument was about where to eat. The above is why good does not exist in games, as the good option would be to close your eyes to the conflict and watch from afar as the orc yells at his wife, and allow events to unfold without imposing your will - this would be seen as a chaotic Evil act in dnd.

The above example although being simple can be seen in virtually all dnd and pathfinder in general, angels and celestial just run around and do stuff on a whim with no rhyme or reason because *we are good*. Demons are actually more good then the good guys as they are free with full meritocracy. Eg: Scothbenoth and Baphomet: allow people to serve them of free will, elevate worthy with power, weapons, fame, homes and treat people fairly. Now compare this to angel Zarial and others: pressure followers to pray consistently, take powers from followers for slightest reason, provide nothing in return, take claim for their victories, highly strict codified leadership, no way to gain power without dying and binding your soul to good loosing your soul, and your memories.

Aka tldr good is probably more evil then evil. Or at minimum could be argued to be the case. So it provides a lot more room to RP and generally makes more sense from a Human perspective

Oh my, what a mess. Concepts are turned upside down and it is unclear what is really the point. A qualified guess, and correct me if I am wrong, is that you are trying to tell us that much evil has been done in the name of good. If that is the case I can agree on that, but your argumentation is confusing and contradictive. If you say that good is evil and evil is good then the words lose their meaning and noone understands what is being said. You are maybe right when in your second post say that'good is just a perspective', the way I would phrase it would be: 'What it means to be good is a matter of perspective'. It is not quite the same, so I don't know whether we are on the same page or not. I'm just trying to clear the fog here. Yes the church has done much evil in the name of good you may say. When you kill in the name of the christian god you are completely ignoring one of the ten commandments. So it is very contradictory, and on top of that is goes against the way we in the modern western world generally define 'good'.

I think when you give critique it is important how you do it if you want to be understood. I once saw a t-shirt with the writing: 'Satan loves you'. I was amused, because that is just making Satan God and God the devil, and would that really solve anything? Then your children can do another rebellion turning things around once more. Nothing has really changed except of the confusion of concepts and who is in power.

Please forgive me for my school teacher approach, but I just get a little provoked when people mess up the language like that. Had to respond.

Last edited by Solarian; 28/07/23 10:06 PM.