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From what I can tell, there is no right single answer to how the relationship between a warlock and their patron works, and there is considerable flexibility for a player to define this themself (along with their DM if playing tabletop). I’m not sure if anyone has already quoted the relevant section from the standard class description, but I’ll put here as I can’t see it:


Also possibly relevant here is this tweet from Jeremy Crawford of WotC, implying that once a warlock has learned powers from their patron they’ll keep them no matter what happens to their relationship. Though this seems to make more sense in the context of a master/pupil type relationship than a deity/disciple one.

I hadn't seen that tweet. Still, he doesn't address pact breach necessarily. Now if the powers cannot be revoked the patron is surely not obligated to give more so surely flagrant pact breach would result in inability to level up further into warlock under that pact and potentially the patron even sending people to assassinate your character. Though the punishment Wyll gets is certainly unique, though I am not sure what it does beyond alter his appearance.

This has been said multiple times by different official rules writers, but it's always a pain to find, so thank you for saving me the trouble of finding it.



The term "Patron" can be interpreted as something similar to "Supporter".
Even though your patron may not like you, the contract says that he must provide you with the minimum necessary support.
So as long as you're not doing something that directly violates your contract, you're safe.

And even if your patron dies, you can still gain new levels, but some doors will remain closed to you, as some of the warlock's abilities require direct assistance from its patron.
For example, some of the more powerful Warlocks can ask their patron once a day to restore all their spells.


And are you sure it's a punishment? Isn't it possible that it's a reward?
If someone pumps you with devilish power, it's not uncommon for some physical changes to occur that make you look a bit like a devil yourself.

No, if you watch the full scene of why Wyll is changed like that and for what, and listen to the narrator's dialogue describing what's happening to Wyll when he undergoes that change...definitely not a reward.

I know about the transformation, but I haven't seen the scene.
I'm trying to make the game keep a few more secrets for me before I start playing it.

But it's definitely an interesting type of punishment, since technically it looks like a power-up.
But I guess his patron is doing it precisely because she knows that Wyll won't like it.

Think of it as a pedagogical punishment. It is a punishment that is meant to make you better.
On the one hand it turns the rebellious "youth" into a more "respectable" person, forcing him to act differently.
On the other hand, that transformation is not something he wants, since he wants to keep playing the dashing hero and forgo his actual duties - which would be to work for the betterment of the hells and become a Lemure to fight demons.

I suspect the real punishment of the transformation is that Wyll doesn't want people to know where he got his power. The pact is a source of shame for Wyll.

Are you saying Wyll doesn't want people to know he's horny?

Well, for people who don't know him, he looks like a regular tiefling.
But for people who know him...

I guess this is something that could seriously ruin his reputation as "hero".

lmao, take of the day.

I wonder if an unequal pact between a warlock and a patron is possible when the patron... himself is a victim and would like to finally break the extremely burdensome pact, but so far he can't.

That would be an interesting idea for a D&D table, you'd have to talk to the DM to see what ideas you can put together and how the DM would intend to play that patron.

Everything you need to know about pacts and how interaction with your patron works

I don't have it in me to skim through the entire PfH, but I swear there was a shot of Wyll and a Tav with their individual Devils standing near them.

Well, even with Old One you can sometimes get lucky and get a pretty nice patron.
But sometimes you get such an unholy abomination that even a short contact will scar you for life...

The end was worth the weirdness leading to it.