Originally Posted by Seventrussel
Originally Posted by mrfuji3
[my definitions of various playstyle terms]

What you described as "minmaxing" is sound closer to the "optimizing" description then the actual minmaxing. Minmaxing can also be, and usually, used in a wider sense, of gameplay that focused not only on maxing your attributes/gear/abilities, but also making all of your in game decisions, including whole character creation, based on the mechanical aspect of the game, with no actual attention given to the roleplay, lore and narrative, or it is build based on the mechanics. That doesn't necessarily imply that they have any "weaknesses", they could have equal number in every stat, if that make them objectively stronger overall. The weaknesses that can occur from minmaxing, its just the game rules trying to shut down that kind of behavior, but it not always works. And Powergaming implying the gameplay where player trying to get more powerful, no matter if that doesn't make sense from the story/roleplay perspective, or it is against sportsmanship towards the other players, and minmaxing as you said could be a part of powergaming, but powergaming is more abstract and wider therm. For example character who making all of his moral decisions on his powergain instead of his character morals

Imho the first three, from the top, should be strictly banned from any good dnd campaign, and, at least, not a main development focus in a video game that based on dnd, as it often happens, especially with the mmo's
What you describe as minmaxing sounds more like powergaming to me. Minmaxing, by the "min" part of that phrase, requires you to minimize (i.e., sacrifice) something. So a minmaxed character by defintion should have weaknesses. A character with an equal number in every stat would be closer to my latter categories: suboptimal/challenge character/joke run/gimping your character.

Imo the classic Minmaxed character is a Barbarian with 16 16 16 8 8 8. Strong, dumb, "me-hit-things ragh"! Powerful for certain tasks (hitting enemies and soaking damage) but very weak in any mental situation including Wis STs.

I would only flat out ban munchkining and I'd have a serious talk with anyone who wanted to gimp their character. Powergaming and minmaxing are fine; especially if all players are doing it. But I'll admit that this is at least partially because I enjoy the tactical aspect of D&D/PF games. If you minmax, I'll at some point design an encounter that targets your weakness...and if you get wrecked that's on you.