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Originally Posted by rodeolifant
Ehm. It was my understanding that when this happens, surrgery happens at birth so as to not induce problems later on. So, technically, this isn;t something we see on adults.

Definitely not something relevant to these forums. No discussion of this please. Anyone interested in the reality of intersexuality can research it elsewhere. The Wikipedia article on the subject is an obvious place to start.

Also, let’s have no posts that can be interpreted as insulting to intersex people, such as neprostoman's above.

This really should be something we can discuss like grown-ups. I will be forced to lock this thread if people can’t engage with it sensibly, but I’ll not be impressed and I’ll be more tempted to blame the people than the topic.


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Originally Posted by The Red Queen
Things.
Not looking to annoy you further, but you're missing the mark here. You made your point, and I'll abide by it - but I'm not guilty of that which you claim.

The OP, that you deemed a legit question was 'why hermaphroditism isn't shown as futurama', that I legitimately attempted to answer so as to bring the topic back to a genuine one. For your sake. There is a difference between that which you mention and hermaphroditism, the latter being a medical condition - the former I don't quite understand and will not comment on.

I seriously suspect that what I posted is the primary reason it doesn't show in the game, as I genuinely believe the dev team to adequately assess these things.


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Okay, that’s not avoiding the discussion as I requested. My reason for that request is that intersexuality is real but rare, and I expect ignorant discussion of it can very easily be offensive to intersex people and their friends and family. And I am not qualified to either discuss it or moderate a discussion of it. And as there is no real reason to discuss it in order to say whether or not we personally want to see more configurable genitals in the game, there’s no public interest defence of having that conversation here, so let’s not.

It is also true that the specific request made by the OP would not allow the majority of the ways intersexuality presents to be represented in the game. And that the way the request was made does sound worryingly more like a request to fulfil a specific fetish than a desire for intersex representation. I have given them the benefit of the doubt, but have also said that fetishisation here is not okay so expect any further post to adhere to that guidance.


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Reasons why 90% of my gaming is pre-2005 stuff. A time were we didn't get all that representation showed down our throats through games.
Because when characters look like simple 5 pixels graphics, who cares right? As long your having fun. You can imagine whatever.

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It just reminded me of the bowl of goat's milk that old Winthrop used to put outside his door every evening for the dust demons. He said the dust demons could never resist goat's milk, and that they would always drink themselves into a stupor and then be too tired to enter his room..
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Originally Posted by Count Turnipsome
Reasons why 90% of my gaming is pre-2005 stuff. A time were we didn't get all that representation showed down our throats through games.
Because when characters look like simple 5 pixels graphics, who cares right? As long your having fun. You can imagine whatever.

You do know know the original game had a gender change belt, right?

D&D has been about representation for decades.

Hell Ed Greenwood confirmed there's good aligned deities that will give you magical divine gender conformation

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Greenwood was way ahead of the curve on these issues. I remember some conference in the mid 90s when some audience member asked what he thought of people discovering they were trans via his game and he beamed and said he thought it was great.

That's not a difficult position to take today but in the mid 90s when people were still shocked by the idea of gay marriage it was a brave position to take.

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Greenwood was way ahead of the curve on these issues. I remember some conference in the mid 90s when some audience member asked what he thought of people discovering they were trans via his game and he beamed and said he thought it was great.

That's not a difficult position to take today but in the mid 90s when people were still shocked by the idea of gay marriage it was a brave position to take.
Yeah I know gods were capable of performing it back in the 90s but looks like regular wizards can get it done too

https://web.archive.org/web/20210824054434/https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1091759929378197504

Ed even says here that everyone in the relms knows atleast one personwho has changed their birth sex either because they felt that body wasn't who they were, they wanted to reinvent themselves, to exape persecution ext.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah
RED QUEEN SAYS IT STAYS. GAME ON

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Yes, one does.
But it shouldn't be difficult to have 2 versions, that way everyone is happy.



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Fair point. Polymelia may be very rare, but it does and has happened. We should be allowed 3 arms when creating our character. Not only would this be great for representation, it would also allow triple wielding!

Originally Posted by JandK
Do overweight people get representation?

And would that help with getting shoved?

As along as it's not too resource intensive to add, I would be fine with it. After all, the more options, the merrier.

Fatness might be easy it's implemented as bodyslide/blendshape (however, this depends on how the 3d models are made).
3 arms would be a problem. You can add it cheaply as a separate object, but then it wouldn't be fully integrated with the skeleton.

In classical D&D, you can play as races with weird anatomies (especially with polymorph)

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Okay, if anyone were to start a thread thoughtfully setting out a desire for better intersex representation in the game, with evidence from intersex people (including potentially personal experience) that what is suggested is something they'd find accurate and helpful, then I'd defend it to the hilt.

But this is not that thread, given it started by using language more commonly associated with sexual objectification of some intersex people rather than their representation, and the rather cavalier suggestion that simply mashing together a penis and vulva would be a satisfactory solution.

It's perhaps not surprising that people are finding it hard to engage with it in line with the way I have appealed for given the way it started, and it's proving more trouble than its inauspicious beginnings warrant. I therefore give up and concede that the folk who suggested locking it from the start were probably right.

Locking now.


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