Originally Posted by kanisatha
To the both of you I would say this: for the sake of argument, let's assume you guys are correct about your "brainwashing" thesis (which is entirely possibly what Larian has written for her). For me, that still doesn't change much. Even if someone were brainwashed or conned or manipulated into their actions, if they committed evil acts, especially acts that caused irreversible harm to innocent people, they are still very much responsible for those acts. They don't get to use the "i was brainwashed" line to absolve themselves of their culpability. They still have to atone for what they did, which includes suffering harsh consequences for what they did. And note, I very specifically don't say doing good things will absolve them, because it doesn't. Doing good things now does not cancel out the evil things one did previously, because if you killed someone, that is irreversible. Saving someone today doesn't do a damn thing for that person you killed yesterday.

Originally Posted by fylimar
I know, you didn't play teh game, but if you did, you would know, that Shadowheart actually did not commit any evil act, while with us. On the contrary, she is happy, when we help the refugees, gives you approval, if you help children and animals and she shows a glowing from time to time, which actually is rumoured to be
a sign of Selune.
I don't have a problem with anything she may have done in the past due to manipulation, brainwashing, etc. Especially not when dealing with the gods. If you play D&D you'd know that you are always just one or two saving throws gone wrong from potentially killing one of your friends...mind control abilities are not that uncommon and the person acting under the influence of mind control cannot be held accountable for the things they've do...that's basically an objective fact. Fail a saving throw against dominate person and you are not in control of your body or your actions anymore...at all. At that point blaming the person being mind controlled is the same as blaming the knife for the actions of the wielder...in the most literal sense.

As for the part about her actions and glowing...she is clearly a good person, and her heart is in the right place and
I would be surprised if she's not in reality a Cleric of Selune because if she were to break free from Shar she would not be able to use shadow magic anymore...Shar is very particular about that, if you don't serve her and attempt to use shadow magic you will go mad. So I suspect that restoring shadowheart's memories will turn her into a Cleric of Selune.

Last edited by Darth_Trethon; 30/07/23 08:31 AM.