Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Story & Character Discussion The Dark Urge - Pondering the Canonical Class

Tav saw something, we saw Sceleritas Fel. But was it really him? Depends on who was telling the story. What I mean is this: what if the fella could work like the Durge's separate personality, manifested to help him cope with the amount of killing and damage done by their own hands. Having a character with a DID could be interesting in terms of the narrative.

-Michael Scott

The Dark Urge is customizable.

Orin is a shapechanger.

--the clear question is whether or not the Dark Urge is also some sort of shapechanger, stuck in form after the insertion of the tadpole due to some whatever netherese deflector shield thing-a-ma-bob.

Then I kind of start to wonder. The game allows respec.

--is it possible the respec feature isn't just a mechanic? Perhaps it's built into the narrative in some manner, and of particular importance to the Dark Urge?

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All of that said, there's nothing wrong with the idea--in my opinion--that the Dark Urge is a sorcerer in canon... but would happen to work better as a rogue. Both of those things can be true.

And it's equally true that we're working with incomplete information.

I am inclined to think that no, the Dark Urge isn't a shapechanger because the dark urge actually has the benefits and traits of his starter race and subrace, a shapechanger would not. But we may gain the ability to shapechange as part of the rewards of following the dark urge as we are receiving boons from Bhaal...who himself was a shapechanger rogue assassin and that is what Orin is as well.

-Wayne Gretzky

Eh, they show the figure Tav saw, I highly doubt there's going to be some convoluted "what Tav saw isn't what we saw" arc when they went out of their way to make an illustration for it. Otherwise you could make that argument for anything. Remember, Dark Urge before the memory loss seemed VERY enthusiastic about their killings, such that they clearly enjoyed it. I doubt there was ever a need to "cope" with it.

If so, then what would the whole 'resist the urges' thing be about?

Likely that the Dark Urge has been given a clean slate to choose differently.

There is np canon race or class for durge

Tav doesnt exist. Tav is a placeholder and stands for gustav which was the codename of baldurs gate in ea and is also the name of svens dog. Tav isnt canon either its just a meme

Lol and there are always threads which make things up. there is no canon Race and never will be. The Dark Urge is an Avatar for the Player. Whats the point of character creation if there is official only one race? Besides there are more Dark urge characters in the game

No one ever said officially..... albeit we saw monk added at the time that durge was, and some of the gear you get works very well with the ways of shadow monk. Lorewise and story wise it works perfectly well, as shadow monks tend to be evil/ chaotic, which is durge's alignment.

Likewise, wizard, barbarian, cleric, Rogue, Warlock, Fighter are taken by other origins. No way durge is paladin, druid, or Ranger as those are usually reserved for good heroes, and Volo is a bard so that takes the class out of the equation. Only monk is left.

It makes sense to me that the canonical Dark Urge would be a Sorcerer, an inherently magical being, considering their Origins/Ancestry.

I took the liberty to add spoiler tags to the relevant bit for the purposes of quoting this comment.

That does seem interesting though it doesn't really provide confirmation or answers and I think that's on purpose by Larian because the game doesn't really have a canon for anything and since they don't lock the player into playing the Dark Urge as a white dragonborn he can be just about anything so I don't think they want to render the player's choice irrelevant. The more interesting bit would be to see if that is there when the player is the Dark Urge.

Sorcerer is the pre-defined character, but it feels like Dark Urge is really 'hands on'. Screams rogue or a martial class to me.

It's not the predefined class because nothing besides the background is predefined for the Dark Urge...Gale is a pre-defined wizard...you can only start as wizard, you can respec later but you can't change that at character creation and his entire story hinges on being a Wizard. That's not what's happening with the Dark Urge...some of the promotional material and website showed or mentioned a Sorcerer Dark Urge but nothing beyond the background is pre-defined in terms of class, subclass, race, or subrace and there is no declared canon for this game either as of yet. If a canon is ever even declared for BG3 at all, which I don't think there will ever be, we don't even know if the Dark Urge will be considered the canon player origin at all which would make it all meaningless.

Well, canon or not, I still dont really have a clue what class to pick.

So far I've started a Drow Sorcerer, Gnome Wizard, and Halforc Fighter. Where "started" means I played them for 1-3 hours or so. None really felt "right" though.

From the information in this thread it basically has to be a human. Someone with high strength and possibly also high constitution, but low intelligence and charisma. So, Barbarian ?

Its not really a hurry, my first game as Halfling Bard is still going on for a while.

Second on du dragonborn sorcerer, Aberrant mind with the illithid tadpole background is effectively bg3's plot hook to a T. Also, you don't even need to homebrew this