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> Many threads and postings there are insulting to community members from the LGBTIQ+ spectrum, for example, also there is a lot of trolling.

1. Compared to this place, Steam forums actually work. This place sometimes is plain broken with connection timeouts.

2. That's what real people look like if you dare step out of the bubble

3. Apparently it's not enough for the woke to have this here safe place, they want to impose their rule on Steam too. Why? Just talk here among yourselves. Everyone's happy. Perfect separation of cultures.

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The rule here is no unnecessary political discussion, and keeping what political discussion there is respectful, including avoiding pejorative use of the word “woke”. And indeed perjorative use of any words used to describe people of any other political leanings.

And this bubble is for friendly discussion about Larian’s games, or gaming in general, and anyone is welcome as long as they’re willing to talk civilly to and about others. It’s true that there are plenty of other places on the internet for other kinds of discourse, so if folk want that instead they have no shortage of options.


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The things going on on Steam aren't an issue of political differences. It's an issue of people wanting to discuss the game but every single thread on the front page is the same 4 or 5 users posting threads about deplatforming the game, review bombing it, and implying they want to kill gay people for existing.

It's hate speech and it's trolling, and if it were just words that'd be at least something you could ignore but I haven't even posted to the Steam forums in like 2 days a dude from there emailed me pictures of a dead cat this morning.

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It feels like we're just rehashing the same thing over and over again in this post. Maybe it's time to close it up?

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It feels like we're just rehashing the same thing over and over again in this post. Maybe it's time to close it up?

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> Many threads and postings there are insulting to community members from the LGBTIQ+ spectrum, for example, also there is a lot of trolling.

1. Compared to this place, Steam forums actually work. This place sometimes is plain broken with connection timeouts.

2. That's what real people look like if you dare step out of the bubble

3. Apparently it's not enough for the woke to have this here safe place, they want to impose their rule on Steam too. Why? Just talk here among yourselves. Everyone's happy. Perfect separation of cultures.


First off, there is a [Quote] button next to the reply you want to quote from, make sure you hit that so it doesn't look like you just made up whatever your responding to.

1. Yeah, they need to upgrade, they are kind of busy right now, don't know if you noticed. When's the last time Valve released a video game? Still waiting for the next Half Life? Don't hold your breath.

2. It's actually the opposite. The majority see it as a positive, which would mean the bubble is around you. Go look it up.

3. Because the Steam forum is meant to be a discussion about video games, not politics. There are websites, and forums for politics. One great one you'd probably like is named after a recently deceased supe from "The Boys". Go, make new friends... :P


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Hate how the “I don’t want politics in my vidya games” bring their politics to the video game forum. I came here to comedically shitpost and talk about video games, not politics, whatever you want to define it as.

Nothing can be done about the Steam Forums.

Bad faith actors have identified themselves. Can we lock the thread now?


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I’m going to leave this thread open because it is valid here to raise concerns about Larian’s community management policy when it comes to other platforms, and indeed to say here if we are actually okay with how those other platforms function. And in general, I am loth to lock any thread started in good faith.

But the usual rules about civility, no unnecessary political debates, and not repeating the same points apply. And anyone failing to adhere to these rules might find themselves taking a break.

We’re all, if we have a view, fine to say once what we like or don’t like about the Steam forums (without taking sideswipes at others as we do it) but let’s not get bogged down in discussions that are unlikely to be productive.


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I just took a peak over at Steam and yeah, it is bad. There are some fruitful discussions about multiclassing and what character everyone will go with, but the most is really hateful and hurtful stuff. I guess the problem is, that the Steam forums are so big, while I was browsing, the thread I was reading, was already on page 2 and it was the newest thread a few minutes before. They would need a lot of moderators to keep up with that.


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I really hope they do massive cleanup before launch day because when people start playing and going to the main selling platform, they're going to be in for a rude awakening.

The steam forums were always kind of a mess, but in a sort of lawless and fun way. Right now they are downright unpleasant.

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Originally Posted by fylimar
I just took a peak over at Steam and yeah, it is bad. There are some fruitful discussions about multiclassing and what character everyone will go with, but the most is really hateful and hurtful stuff. I guess the problem is, that the Steam forums are so big, while I was browsing, the thread I was reading, was already on page 2 and it was the newest thread a few minutes before. They would need a lot of moderators to keep up with that.

I can assure you it's a small group of bad actors who post prolifically. Which gives the false sense that they have larger numbers than they do. Statistically it's less than 1% but they can make up an outsize share of posts.

What is really dangerous about this is that it can make other people think that these attitudes are normal and so they may normalize that sort of speech. Later in life they end up getting fired a lot but never figure out why - and so they head to the forums to continue the cycle with all that spare time.

You ban them and it fixes the problem.


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I just took a peak over at Steam and yeah, it is bad. There are some fruitful discussions about multiclassing and what character everyone will go with, but the most is really hateful and hurtful stuff. I guess the problem is, that the Steam forums are so big, while I was browsing, the thread I was reading, was already on page 2 and it was the newest thread a few minutes before. They would need a lot of moderators to keep up with that.

I can assure you it's a small group of bad actors who post prolifically. Which gives the false sense that they have larger numbers than they do. Statistically it's less than 1% but they can make up an outsize share of posts.

What is really dangerous about this is that it can make other people think that these attitudes are normal and so they may normalize that sort of speech. Later in life they end up getting fired a lot but never figure out why - and so they head to the forums to continue the cycle with all that spare time.

You ban them and it fixes the problem.

Oh I'm aware of that, there was one guy making at least four 'woke' threads, while I was browsing. They should really ban those people.


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Originally Posted by fylimar
I just took a peak over at Steam and yeah, it is bad. There are some fruitful discussions about multiclassing and what character everyone will go with, but the most is really hateful and hurtful stuff. I guess the problem is, that the Steam forums are so big, while I was browsing, the thread I was reading, was already on page 2 and it was the newest thread a few minutes before. They would need a lot of moderators to keep up with that.

I can assure you it's a small group of bad actors who post prolifically. Which gives the false sense that they have larger numbers than they do. Statistically it's less than 1% but they can make up an outsize share of posts.

What is really dangerous about this is that it can make other people think that these attitudes are normal and so they may normalize that sort of speech. Later in life they end up getting fired a lot but never figure out why - and so they head to the forums to continue the cycle with all that spare time.

You ban them and it fixes the problem.
Thats actually true for any platform and any content - news, politics, games, films etc. The sad part is normal people joining those braindead discussions because of those trolls, then finding each other on different sides of the opinion spectrum and starting a real argument over something thats not worth arguing about. While being completely oblivious.

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I mean Steam has a moderator, but I'd be willing to bet they're siding with the trolls politics because they never get banned but anyone who disagrees with them sure do. It's turned that place into a nightmare of politics and screaming.

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Originally Posted by Big Biscuits
I mean Steam has a moderator, but I'd be willing to bet they're siding with the trolls politics because they never get banned but anyone who disagrees with them sure do. It's turned that place into a nightmare of politics and screaming.

Never engage with the trolls, especially on the Steam forums. Report them, using the language that Steam moderators use like, "hate speech including 'x', 'y', 'z'. Non-productive arguing, attacking posters, off-topic, unrelated to the game, etc." Arguing with the trolls/bigots will never work out for you on the internet. They live for the arguments.

edit: and here I am engaging in this circle thread..I should take my own advice.

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Interesting idea..connect their game code when they want to post on steam, forums, discord. So a ban on one platform would ban on all.

If they want to make another account they need to buy the game again!! Lol

Works for scammers too

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Bigots and Trolls are poison for the bottom line - something most companies* have figured out.

Advertisers don't like it especially.

Most people don't know this but Tucker Carlson was fired because his show - despite being in a primetime slot - was the lowest performing show in terms of advertising dollars of any of the primetime shows, despite having the largest audience. His demographic was bigots, and advertisers just didn't like it.

Also because the whole Dominion thing - he got sued for defamation a lot and previously judges ruled that "no reasonable person would believe that his show was factual or news." After Dominion that defense was not going to work.

I hope Steam figures out its moderation issues. Bigots and Trolls are social cancer.

*Obviously not Twitter.


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Hopefully the troll will gone after a week and the hype "died down" a bit. This is the risk of marketing the game to mainstream audience... you also catch the attention of bigots and trolls.


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Originally Posted by Dext. Paladin
Hopefully the troll will gone after a week and the hype "died down" a bit. This is the risk of marketing the game to mainstream audience... you also catch the attention of bigots and trolls.

Sadly true. There is also a subset of gamers that I am not fond of with low emotional intelligence - They verbally 'explode' over minor things and are 'inconsolable' even when you patiently try to explain its a misunderstanding or that they simply missed something that led to their erroneous conclusion. Like zero diplomacy skills, 8 charisma.

This game is a game for Nerds, and I love that about it. However, some people may not have the patience or curiosity for that.

"I'm not instantly good at this, well screw that!" (????? ???

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Originally Posted by Blackheifer
Originally Posted by Dext. Paladin
Hopefully the troll will gone after a week and the hype "died down" a bit. This is the risk of marketing the game to mainstream audience... you also catch the attention of bigots and trolls.

Sadly true. There is also a subset of gamers that I am not fond of with low emotional intelligence - They verbally 'explode' over minor things and are 'inconsolable' even when you patiently try to explain its a misunderstanding or that they simply missed something that led to their erroneous conclusion. Like zero diplomacy skills, 8 charisma.

This game is a game for Nerds, and I love that about it. However, some people may not have the patience or curiosity for that.

"I'm not instantly good at this, well screw that!" (????? ???
Is low emotional intelligence CHA or WIS though? I mean it also has INT in the name.


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