Originally Posted by Warlocke
Originally Posted by Ieldra2
Originally Posted by Thrandarian
I find this game to be more a logistical nightmare, bogged down will tons of unnecessary fluff... and trust me, I use the word fluff for lack of being banned for what my replacement word would be.

Just glad I was able to experience Wizardry in 1980 at release. And well, the follow up games to the series, Knight of Diamonds, and Legacy of Llygamyn. Those my friends were true CRPG masterpieces. But I'm guessing most are too young to have had the privilege of experiencing something so masterful at a much simpler time in our world.
Tell me you aren't serious. Maybe a very basic dungeon crawl with no story to speak of, where characters are nothing but stats, is your favorite type of game, but then why did you even buy this game? And yes, I actually was there at the time, so no bullshitting me about it.

Yeah, everybody is entitled to what they like, but I was a bit confounded by that sentiment too. I always personally thought that every western RPG before Baldur’s Gate 1 was a bit rubbish.
There were several steps of evolution. First the games ceased to be pure dungeon crawls and included travel and a story. That was in the late 1980s and early 1990s and included the late Wizardrys and Realms of Arkania. Those were quite enjoyable at the time, though still a bit clunky to play compared with Fallout and what came after. Then Fallout started with the isometric map, trait-dependent dialogue and choices and consequences (which the BGs did not have to nearly the same degree). BG1 started with your party now consisting of actual characters with their own stories. Planescape:Torment was probably the first game to feature all of these elements to a significant degree, but at the price of having a defined protagonist. And I think I'll include "verticality" as a significant step, with the worlds of isometric games becoming three-dimensional. The first game I recall to have this feature was Divinity 2 (Ego Draconis) in 2009. And here we are, after another decade and more of resurgence and refinement which included the POE games, the Pathfinder games, Disco Elysium and the DOS games, playing a game like Baldur's Gate 3.