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[spoiler] let's talk about Isobel #880426 14/08/23 08:47 AM
Joined: Aug 2022 7 7d7 OP journeyman
OP 7d7 journeyman 7 Joined: Aug 2022	I love bg3 and find so far the writing pretty good so far... expect for Isobel. WTF is wrong this her??? I save her skin at the last inn, we go storm the moonrise tower and she, and every single Harper's and their dogs, forget to mention we are against her Dad??? How about the fact she was dead? How about the fact she dates an angel who happens to be the nightsong? How about the fact she doesn't react to SH in Shar's gear? How about the fact there is a goddamn Shar temple under her family mausoleum? I feel I wasn't supposed to win that inn fight and that she was supposed to die very fast because clearly she has a lot of explaining to do!!

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #880430 14/08/23 08:51 AM
Joined: Jun 2023 I Ieldra2 enthusiast
Ieldra2 enthusiast I Joined: Jun 2023	You'll be able to ask her about most of that. Later. And if you read the documents in Moonrise Tower, you can also figure it out on your own. The Shar temple remains a mystery though. And if Shadowheart didn't actually become a Dark Justiciar she shouldn't be wearing the gear. Last edited by Ieldra2; 14/08/23 08:55 AM.

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #880434 14/08/23 08:58 AM
Joined: Dec 2020 Starshine enthusiast
Starshine enthusiast Joined: Dec 2020	In the sided with goblins in Act 1 playthrough, with rescuing the nightsong, she just turns up and apologies for not having told you who her dad was in the post-defeated her dad party and it was like, I have no idea who you are. The game doesn't seem to check and just assume if you rescue the nightsong you've met her? Minthara is the best character and she NEEDS to be recruitable if you side with the grove! Also- I support the important thread in the suggestions: Let everyone in the Party Speak

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel Ieldra2 #880439 14/08/23 09:05 AM
Joined: Aug 2022 7 7d7 OP journeyman
OP 7d7 journeyman 7 Joined: Aug 2022	Originally Posted by Ieldra2 You'll be able to ask her about most of that. Later. And if you read the documents in Moonrise Tower, you can also figure it out on your own. The Shar temple remains a mystery though. And if Shadowheart didn't actually become a Dark Justiciar she shouldn't be wearing the gear. Why later? That's the issue. I was in the inn. We were discussing going there. Who in their right mind will not mention that the enemy is their dad? There is no excuse their. Yes I find some documents but it doesn't excuse the writing for that path. If she was dead I will understand. She is right... There... ?? SH was already outed as a Shar cleric in my party at that point. Can't Isobel sense she can go in the shadow cursed land without her blessing?

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #880467 14/08/23 09:58 AM
Joined: Aug 2014 1varangian veteran
1varangian veteran Joined: Aug 2014	She would have been a decent good aligned Cleric companion who also has a stake in the story. For their next D&D game, Larian should double the amount of available companions and cut their content in half.

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #880475 14/08/23 10:03 AM
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Ieldra2 enthusiast I Joined: Jun 2023	Originally Posted by 7d7 Why later? That's the issue. I was in the inn. We were discussing going there. Who in their right mind will not mention that the enemy is their dad? There is no excuse their. Is it actually important? He's the man responsible for the curse, what does it matter that Isobel is related? It's ancient family history, nothing more. Originally Posted by 1varangian For their next D&D game, Larian should double the amount of available companions and cut their content in half. I couldn't disagree more. I really like the extended companion stories. They make the companions more real. Last edited by Ieldra2; 14/08/23 10:07 AM.

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel Ieldra2 #880489 14/08/23 10:42 AM
Joined: Aug 2014 1varangian veteran
1varangian veteran Joined: Aug 2014	Originally Posted by Ieldra2 I couldn't disagree more. I really like the extended companion stories. They make the companions more real. And single use. Even if you take them on another path on a second playthrough, it's still the same character with the same story. You grow tired of seeing the same faces every time. In a party based game, I would prefer the possibility of playing an entirely different party. You can't do that with just 6 companions. The same faces will haunt you every single time. If you don't like Astarion, you won't even have something as basic as a Rogue in your party. 6 simply isn't enough. Don't get me started on the 4 "extra companions", two of which are Druids.

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel Ieldra2 #880495 14/08/23 10:57 AM
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OP 7d7 journeyman 7 Joined: Aug 2022	Originally Posted by Ieldra2 Is it actually important? He's the man responsible for the curse, what does it matter that Isobel is related? It's ancient family history, nothing more. Of course it is. Step in her shoes for 5 secs. You are a selune cleric. Your father is a Shar worshipper. He actually built his plan around enslaving your love interest. You both came back from the dead. A powerful allies just show up and plan to defeat your father that you very likely hate at this point. Of course you d say something. Help in any way. Provide any hint on how to defeat him. This is just common sense? How would you see it any differently? Look how happy she is to see nightsong again this is not ancient history she literally spent her daily life force fighting the curse her father is unleashing on the land?!

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #880930 15/08/23 12:44 AM
Joined: Dec 2020 Starshine enthusiast
Starshine enthusiast Joined: Dec 2020	She explains she feared for how they would treat her, or blame her if she came forwards. It's a legit fear, her whole life has been people she trusted using her. Minthara is the best character and she NEEDS to be recruitable if you side with the grove! Also- I support the important thread in the suggestions: Let everyone in the Party Speak

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #880941 15/08/23 01:40 AM
Joined: Apr 2013 Darth_Trethon veteran
Darth_Trethon veteran Joined: Apr 2013	Isobel exists to die mainly...you could go out of your way to save her but there's not much reason to bother. I honestly wouldn't bother thinking about her that much.

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel Darth_Trethon #880949 15/08/23 02:21 AM
Joined: Dec 2020 Starshine enthusiast
Starshine enthusiast Joined: Dec 2020	Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon Isobel exists to die mainly...you could go out of your way to save her but there's not much reason to bother. I honestly wouldn't bother thinking about her that much. She's quite important to Nightsong's story in Act 3, if you evil in act 1 she survives easy and is an interesting character to meet if a bit sudden. It's a massive leap to say she exists to die, might as well say the same about Gale or Laz, if you don't intervene they can die too. Minthara is the best character and she NEEDS to be recruitable if you side with the grove! Also- I support the important thread in the suggestions: Let everyone in the Party Speak

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel Starshine #880960 15/08/23 02:57 AM
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Darth_Trethon veteran Joined: Apr 2013	Originally Posted by Starshine Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon Isobel exists to die mainly...you could go out of your way to save her but there's not much reason to bother. I honestly wouldn't bother thinking about her that much. She's quite important to Nightsong's story in Act 3, if you evil in act 1 she survives easy and is an interesting character to meet if a bit sudden. It's a massive leap to say she exists to die, might as well say the same about Gale or Laz, if you don't intervene they can die too. Both Isobel and Nightsong were mainly put in the game to die in act 2. SPOILERS: Isobel is annoying to save and not much reward for doing so, which alone isn't worth the trouble and beyond that killing her is an important trial for the Dark Urge, and the reward for doing so is great, plus you can still get Jaheira as a companion too so no real cost there but killing Nightsong is an important test for Shadowheart and doing so leads to Isobel dying anyway so you might as well just get Isobel out of the way first so you don't miss out on Jaheira too. I guess you could bend over backwards to try to save both but talking Shadowheart out of stabbing Nightsong is difficult and it ruins her character by making her dull and boring...I need my companions to be more enthusiastic about stabbing, not less. Even Jaheira in her misguided ideology is all about enthusiastically stabbing some people which is the perfect place you want companions to be at.

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #880968 15/08/23 03:30 AM
Joined: Dec 2020 Starshine enthusiast
Starshine enthusiast Joined: Dec 2020	Not doing that is important to SH, actually not doing that is more important than doing it. Maybe consider there is more nuance than a strict black and white view takes? especially as someone who has played act 3 with them involved and they have a role in it. SO you know, consider perspectives other than your own rather than treating anything as an obvious binary? Minthara is the best character and she NEEDS to be recruitable if you side with the grove! Also- I support the important thread in the suggestions: Let everyone in the Party Speak

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel Darth_Trethon #881033 15/08/23 09:14 AM
Joined: Oct 2020 Kendaric addict
Kendaric addict Joined: Oct 2020	Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon Originally Posted by Starshine Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon Isobel exists to die mainly...you could go out of your way to save her but there's not much reason to bother. I honestly wouldn't bother thinking about her that much. She's quite important to Nightsong's story in Act 3, if you evil in act 1 she survives easy and is an interesting character to meet if a bit sudden. It's a massive leap to say she exists to die, might as well say the same about Gale or Laz, if you don't intervene they can die too. Both Isobel and Nightsong were mainly put in the game to die in act 2. SPOILERS: Isobel is annoying to save and not much reward for doing so, which alone isn't worth the trouble and beyond that killing her is an important trial for the Dark Urge, and the reward for doing so is great, plus you can still get Jaheira as a companion too so no real cost there but killing Nightsong is an important test for Shadowheart and doing so leads to Isobel dying anyway so you might as well just get Isobel out of the way first so you don't miss out on Jaheira too. I guess you could bend over backwards to try to save both but talking Shadowheart out of stabbing Nightsong is difficult and it ruins her character by making her dull and boring...I need my companions to be more enthusiastic about stabbing, not less. Even Jaheira in her misguided ideology is all about enthusiastically stabbing some people which is the perfect place you want companions to be at. Not everybody wants or likes to play "evil". I'd say the vast majority of people will attempt to save both Isobel and the Nightsong in their playthroughs.

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #881441 15/08/23 11:39 PM
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Ixal old hand I Joined: Jul 2009	Those two are so annoying and cringe. Thank you for defying your god, rescuing me from hundred years of torment and killing an avatar of an evil god. Now go away, I need to have sex with my super lesbian girlfriend that just came back from the dead right now! Last edited by Ixal; 15/08/23 11:49 PM.

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #881528 16/08/23 03:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2021 Location: Italy Malrith member
Malrith member Joined: Jan 2021 Location: Italy	In my 2nd run I went to last light then straight to moonrise without meeting her (there's the option to ambush the drider with the harpers and take the lantern) and I wondered if that would break the game or not but luckily there are small cutscenes that take that into account. I agree that both her and Nightsong seem very underdeveloped and you can definitely see the rewrites. Datamined nightsong was a completely different character and from what I've heard of her original lines she sounded a lot more interesting. Just like Ketheric... I too would be very worried that my daughter has falling head over heels for a pompous god-child. Isobel and Nightsong may end up in a situation similar to that of Gale and Mystra and it doesn't seem healthy in the slightest lol - Firm believer in Mindflayer supremacy -

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #881715 16/08/23 02:08 PM
Joined: Aug 2023 ValkyrieN7 member
ValkyrieN7 member Joined: Aug 2023	I liked Isobel and Nightsong. I think they're my favorite non-companion NPCs after finishing the game. I only wished they had a bit more content. That being said, reuniting them was my biggest reward in the whole game. I was smiling for the next hour when I saw them finally together after all that's happened. Saving both of them is one choice I'll never change, even if I decide to play as evil character at some point.

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #881726 16/08/23 02:18 PM
Joined: Jul 2023 Nerovar member
Nerovar member Joined: Jul 2023	I'm wondering, is there any reaction from the Nightsong if you kill Isobel as the Dark Urge?

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel 7d7 #881736 16/08/23 02:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2022 Eagle Pursuit enthusiast
Eagle Pursuit enthusiast Joined: Jan 2022	Isobel and Nightsong (Dame Aynira or whatever) are really fun to have around in Act 3. Nightsong is basically the DnD version of MCU Thor; bombastic, confident, sexy, and talks in stilted retro-Middle English. I'm still unclear on how Isobel died originally. Is this a BG2 thing?

Re: [spoiler] let's talk about Isobel Eagle Pursuit #881740 16/08/23 02:27 PM
Joined: Aug 2023 ValkyrieN7 member
ValkyrieN7 member Joined: Aug 2023	I literally made a Selune cleric on my second playthrough just to have a bit more content with those two. And it's a bonus for Shadowheart, too!

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