Originally Posted by 1varangian
Originally Posted by Maximuuus
Originally Posted by 1varangian
The increased Shove distance is the main reason why you can't protect yourself against it. Position yourself away from the edge of a lava pool - nuh uh, you'll fly in there anyway from the center of the cave.

When you use Thunderwave to just get out of melee you're accidentally one shotting enemies you wanted to loot into chasms. It's ridiculous.

The shove distance seems necessary for it to be a feature in the game to be honnest.
Edges are not often in straight lines.. And the map shows lots of small mounds, rocks and other things in relief.

I tried to mod the game during AE to reduce shove distance and it became mostly impossible to shove in MANY situations (even when your characters were close to an edge).

Shove as a full action + less "pushing effects" (skills, consummables, items,...) would be the best solution imo.

But it is now pretty clear that Larian will not change anything about the ridiculously OP, unbalanced and often infuriating shove.
Making Shove an attack action also opens up the possibility of Fighters shoving three times per turn, and turning Haste into yet another, or three more possibilities to insta-kill Shove. Normal attacks competing with distance-buffed insta-kill Shoves would lose and it would become an even worse Shove-fest than it currently is. I can imagine the videos already where a Hasted 11th level Fighter Shoves 6 creatures into chasms in one turn. Or "only" 4, should they at least fix Haste.

Let an 11th level enemy Fighter with 20 Strength Action Surge and use 6 Shoves against the party on a high cliff and see how well it works out.

Not at all.
There are plenty of actions in the game that are not considered as "extra attack" and that consume the entire action.
It does not necessarily have to be "part of your attack action" like in DnD considering how powerfull it can be.

Sure, with haste potion you could shove twice.

@Mrfuji I also tried to change the angle a bit (because it often look ridiculous tbh) but I did not succeed. It was before I managed to change the arrows trajectories /speed so maybe I could try something though...

Last edited by Maximuuus; 17/08/23 10:41 PM.

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