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Reincarnate - lvl 5 Druid spelll
"You touch a dead humanoid or a piece of a dead humanoid. Provided that the creature has been dead no longer than 10 days, the spell forms a new adult body for it and then calls the soul to enter that body.
If the target's soul isn't free or willing to do so, the spell fails."
I think Karlach, Gale and Tadpoles is why this spell isn't in the game...
It would instantly solve all problems. Meanwhile, in Gale's inventory...
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In no way I try to fanboy defend the way it is, but isnt Karlach emotional breakdown basically means to say she is done and better spend time doing things while she is still with us, rather than mourne?
Speaking of dropoffs. Im now obsessed with Minthara character. Not only she is the only paladin and I need a good reason for 2nd playthrough (never tried pala and want a fresh class expirience), but also quite interesting. But from what I gathered her romance is broken and doesnt work. So not only Im forced to side with filthy goblins, but lose 3-4 characters and a lot of content while she doesnt even provide much in return. Same problem here: I dont want us to force developers and writers into make THEIR game into our fanfic, but I really wish we could had her without such tremendous losses. And evil playthrough doesn offer an equal expirience or amount of content really too. So what im trying to say Im dissapointed that after act 1 game falls apart and Karlach is just one example of it. Dont think it can be fixed considering how much work it would take, but Id rather have cut content restored than extra content and DLCs etc. May be it would fix all the problems game has including Karlach's personal quest, while also not turning the game into fanfic.
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Not every story should end in happy ending, I could not disagree more with this bad bad take. I Unapologetically Unabashedly Deny ANY sad ending here. I'm sick of it, I'm not interested in it, and I'm doubly sick of people trying to claim there's any reason or value to having forced upon us. The game has enough trauma, I want the happy ending now. I hope we do in fact end up coercing the devs to make the ending we want, especially if they were not planning on it originally. That's what listening to your fans means, that's what giving the people - who are buying your game - what they want means.
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In no way I try to fanboy defend the way it is, but isnt Karlach emotional breakdown basically means to say she is done and better spend time doing things while she is still with us, rather than mourne?
Speaking of dropoffs. Im now obsessed with Minthara character. Not only she is the only paladin and I need a good reason for 2nd playthrough (never tried pala and want a fresh class expirience), but also quite interesting. But from what I gathered her romance is broken and doesnt work. So not only Im forced to side with filthy goblins, but lose 3-4 characters and a lot of content while she doesnt even provide much in return. Same problem here: I dont want us to force developers and writers into make THEIR game into our fanfic, but I really wish we could had her without such tremendous losses. And evil playthrough doesn offer an equal expirience or amount of content really too. So what im trying to say Im dissapointed that after act 1 game falls apart and Karlach is just one example of it. Dont think it can be fixed considering how much work it would take, but Id rather have cut content restored than extra content and DLCs etc. May be it would fix all the problems game has including Karlach's personal quest, while also not turning the game into fanfic. I think in this case the good outcome for Karlach was planned according all clues we have available, so this was probably a managers decisions to remove the content before release maybe due to major bugs/ incomplete work, than intention of tragic endings for her. And similar way was also applied for all removed content from Act3 So again lets hope for restoring all content back in the future and hope for good ending
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I created an account simply to add my voice to the crowd. I made the mistake of watching the endings on Youtube while I was away on a work trip. The endings overall feel incomplete, but the options for Karlach in particular are terrible. I decided to romance Karlach during my initial playthough. Knowing what happens has completely killed my interest in finishing the game. I really hope we'll see some further development from Larian.
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(Sorry for my English, i try with all my might) As many i`m here to help and add my voice for Karlach. And my voice here not only for more complex and better questline, my voice is specifically for Good Ending and only for it. I understand why some people don’t mind tragic endings if they get at least the good storyline behind it, but… Be honest, I just can’t deal with it.
Here in RPG game that suppose give us a chose - we end with bad end no matter what, without a choice. It and that this tragic happens with more positive and kind character in all entire game is really unfair.
I`m know life is unfair and not all games supposed to be about miracles and sunshine, but this is DND, a world where everything is possible, world exactly about miracles. And this is a Baldurs Gate 3, game where you can befriend with the Gods, make deal with Devils, saving the entire world. In this game you just can’t fix simple engine in tiefling-cyborg chest? Or change it, or resurrect her, or give her a new body… Anything!
- We save a walking talking "nuclear bomb" that was cursed by one of the most powerful magic that even Goddess can’t just cure!
- We deal contract with Devil that even our heroic soul is seen as insect!
- We cure big forest from the evil ancient curse!
- We kill Chosen of the Dead Three!
- We save the daughter of the Moon Goddess!
And many more.
With all of this impossible thing we can do and did its still impossible fix some old hell junk engine… Why? I don’t understand.
Because there must be at least one full tragic character among our team? Then why its Karlach? Chose a Gale will be more easy and justifiably option (even if I’m still don’t like an idea have 100% tragic companion at all). With Gale situation tragic end at least make sence, where Karlach situation is easy to find a way out. But one has a Deus ex good ending and another… you know, no Deus ex, no gods, nothing.
This is because she is most kind among all companions? Because she is most innocent? Maybe because Larian doesn’t have a time enough for making a more endings for her because they run on time? I`m can only make guesses.
But here is my voice. For Good Ending. Not just for more questline or character work.
Honestly, before I saw the ending I’m really wanted to play this game again, but… now I`m just can`t. I`m can’t watch her ending again with though that I`m can’t make her happy. Suppose I will wait until there is be at least some good Karlach ending maybe from official patches, maybe from mods… It’s still a good game, but I’m in love with Karlach too much to see how she’s suffered, especially where there so many in game options to save here, and especially where there walking-talking around Gale, that get the rescue from the skies!
Justice for Karlach!
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^This. I fully understand the intentions, the drama and the tragedy are good and should be present in a good game. But it also should be justified. If we neglected Karlach - ok, so be it, only bad endings should be possible. But if we input real efforts - in SUCH world to be unable to fix some engine? Doesn't seem justified at all. There should at least be an option to sell your soul to the devil for it, it's a bare minimum. While going to Hell together doesn't seem too bad in general, but it is unacceptable for Karlach, so can't be considered a real solution. Temporally - yes, till the real solution is found, but the problem is - there is no real solution or even glimpse of it in the future.
Turning her to illithid is not an option either, even if she still considers it better than hell.
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Gale has an ending that completely undermines any attempts at tragedy that Larian were aiming for with Karlach and the player character (if that player character wasn't an Origin character). In my first play-through, I roleplayed my character as a cheeky Bard with a heart of gold who fell head-over-heels for Karlach. And I took every decision that I felt a truly good character would have made. I saved the Tieflings.
I converted Shadowheart and prevented her from killing the Nightsong.
I convinced Astarion to kill Cazador, yet not go through with the ascension, thereby sparing 7,007 lives. Which meant as soon as the parasite disappeared, he lost his immunity to the sun, and had to retreat to the shadows.
I freed Orpheus, thereby freeing the Gith from their tyrannical lich queen. Lae'Zel, probably the character my bard bonded with the least, got pretty much her best ending, flying off on her shiny new red dragon with new boyfriend Orpheus.
As the Emperor would no longer play ball, someone had to become a Mindflayer to cast the final spell, so I took one for the team becoming a rubbery Cthulhu-cosplay reject. Oh, and I still don't get why the Emperor joins the Elder Brain in the final battle, despite you proving he's been played like a fiddle and that Orpheus is the best option for everyone.
And because Karlach said many, many times over that she didn't want to go back to hell, didn't want to become a Mindflayer and would rather blow up, and that she wanted me with her until the very end, I honoured her wishes.
So my ending, despite me doing what I thought was the best for everyone, was a real bummer. I kind of accepted it, thinking "ah well, it's brave to show how even if you do the best by everyone, you can end up sacrificing everything". And then I discovered that if Gale as the player character becomes the Mindflayer then hands over the crown to Mystra, *POOF!*, she turns him human again.
And that made me very angry. Why didn't I have the option of getting: Gale to go full-Illithid instead of my character who had been fighting against it for her entire playthrough? If Mystra can do that for Gale, why the hell can't she save Karlach (or any other character for that matter), by either magicking her back after she becomes a Mindflayer, or by simply magicking her engine away and replacing it with a heart? I get what Larian were going for, but Gale's special circumstances undermine every other character's story and choices.
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And then I discovered that if Gale as the player character becomes the Mindflayer then hands over the crown to Mystra, *POOF!*, she turns him human again.
Oh good grief. Not that it's illogical or impossible or anything for Mystra to cast a 9th level spell on him out of gratitude for his actions - maybe she just read the scroll in his inventory! - but it seemed like Larian was going out of their way to ignore all the resurrection magic available because it's too easy a solution to various problems. And then they just whip it out in the end anyway. For Gale. I love Gale, but c'mon, he already gets the shiniest, most consequence-free endings in the game.
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Increasingly, when I play cRPGs that have ressurrection spells and scrolls in, I want one that explores allowing you to ressurrect ANYONE. A decent GM would allow it and create interesting stories around it.
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"Patch 2 <...>begins our journey incorporating feedback into Origin Character epilogues" (link goes to twitter) Sounds plenty hopeful, I think. Perhaps not exactly a patch matter, what we're hoping for, but still nice to hear that this direction is worked on.
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We did it! Congratulations to everyone!
Justice for Karlach!
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Yeah, from Patch2:
"We’ve started expanding the epilogues and you’ll see the first results of that in Patch 2 with the addition of a new optional ending with Karlach. It’s fiery, poignant, and gives her the ending she deserves."
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Does it mean I can get it by beating final boss again or its about some extra actions in order to have the new ending? A bit confused.
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I think people should really check the meaning of the word poignant. "Evoking a keen sense of sadness or regret."
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"Poignant" can also mean generally deeply affecting, sharp/strong, etc. Theoretically. One would hope that with the current selection of endings that we already have a "new" and "optional" one wouldn't just be... more sadness? Fingers crossed! One would also hope that a simple expansion on an existing ending for the sake of a more detailed epilogue - something we also asked for, granted, like a line about Tav and Karlach in Avernus - wouldn't be called "new"... However, I'll try to reserve my excitement. Believe it when I see it, etc etc! (At the very least it's nice to see that we were CLEARLY heard)
Last edited by tarraxahum; 29/08/23 10:28 PM.
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Hello all, I'd like to reach out with a huge thank you. Larian actually addressed this, which is crazy, given its not something they often do.
Congratulations to you all, and, pending seeing what this new ending really is, thank you Larian.
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"However, I'll try to reserve my excitement. Believe it when I see it, etc etc!" I am 100% with you there. I'm a bit...worried about seeing what Larian spoke on it. "It’s fiery, poignant, and gives her the ending she deserves." My worry is that it won't deliver a payoff that melds together with the options we have available to us in game currently. I'm hopeful that they just let us fix her engine after putting in the work for it. Don't make it easy for us to do, but make it so we -can- do that. Fingers crossed. *Edit*: Maybe I'm wrong though, as I've seen poignant used to describe emotionally evoking moments, places, times, etc. Not necessarily meaning sad or sorrowful. Hope? Hope.
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Put me down on the "would like an at least relatively positive ending" for Karlach. Will also jump on the hope train.
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While it's nice something is happening I'm concerned it's happening too soon. Karlach's bigger problem is just lack of content. the other origins get beefy quests associated with them, with Karlach it's just "talk to this trader twice" I'd accept a different kind of ending for her if it came from something.
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