Originally Posted by fylimar
Originally Posted by Borys of Ebe
It seems that many people have misinterpreted what I've said. I identified a very specific failure of logic used to criticize people who have a perspective of what fantasy should be/represent. If you think fantasy should represent the beliefs of wealthy liberal westerners that is entirely your prerogative. If you think that fantasy the genre has no essential characteristics and everything is in flux then that is okay (this is an epistemological nightmare of course because sophists will question your definition of a chair). My issue is that instead of seeing that some people want fantasy to stay true to it's well established genre conventions (I played AD&D and Dark Sun is my favourite setting so I've some credibility when I say that it is a bit of stretch to conflate the liberalism of BG3/Wizards of the Coast with fantasy as it has existed) whilst maintaining a level of authenticity in terms of gender identities/sexuality/ethnicity people who do not subscribe to this belief simply throw out, "It's fantasy so your perspective is invalid." Oppose people honestly when they say that it is silly that there a so many different phenotypes of Druegar that directly correlate with real world ethnicities. Say that it is because you think representation trumps world building; say that it is because it fits your ideological perspective; say that it is commercially a good move but don't say that it is fantasy so anything is permissible.
Oh no, we did get, what you said, I just ignored you, because it is mysogenic, sexist and racist. And I'd rather engaged with the nicer discussions about the topic.

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OP, I'll give you a 'bit' more benefit of the doubt and say that your points are very vague, and seem like you're trying to skirt around just saying what you really want to say. Give me a single concrete example of what "those people" are arguing, and how you think they're wrong. Or give me a single example of over-representation of LGBTQ+, and what YOU feel about it. Right now from your posts, it's very hard to get any real feeling of what you're trying to say, and to be honest, it just sounds like another "too much gay and black people" dog whistle.

I'm all for you proving me wrong though.