Originally Posted by Ixal
Originally Posted by Olive Tree
Another thing that bothers me about his story is that his wonderful moment where he slays an entire ass dragon god by himself (I'm conveniently ignoring Mizora), is boiled down to a barely-there description. Honestly I liked his EA story more, where he took a pact out of anger and desperation when he realized he was just a kid with delusions of grandeur, and who couldn't stop mere goblins from brutally slaughtering and burning him and the innocent village he was protecting. He really didn't need such a massive upscale in Pact moment if they weren't even gonna give it any real intrigue.
Technically he did not kill her, just the guys who did hold the door open. (What he describes is basically the Rise of the Dragon Queen adventure from the early days of D&D 5E)

But yes, like so many things, the EA version was much better than what we got in the end.
Its really disheartening to see how hard Larian worked to make their game worse.


Disagree on that valuation. His EA personality was creepy and self-aggrandizing. He referred to himself in the third person constantly in dialogue. He came off a clown to me. Mizora being this damsel in distress figure also makes way less sense as a fiend patron. The rewrite grounded him as a heroic figure but not full of it, and Mizora is vastly improved as a depiction of a fiendish patron.

Wyll lacks content, sure, but the rewrite was an improvement on his previous pompous Don Quixote EA depiction.

I also think people don't use Wyll in their party not only because of lack of content, but because warlock is such a terrible class and weak compared to sorc/wizard, and the fact is most people will not respec the origins of their companions, it's very anti-RP when you see a warlock in service of a devil in dialogue respecced to paladin or storm sorcerer. I look at those 3 puny lv5 spell slots by lv12, no access to powerful lv6 spells like Chain Lightning or Art of War, 90% of the warlock invocations gained over leveling are worthless and many are just late acquisitions of what another class gets 2-3 levels earlier at lesser cost, and the gameplay loop essentially boils down to charm+eldritch blast spam for lesser damage than the other casters, and most people won't bother to put him in their party when Gale is flinging Chain Lightnings, Fireballs with no friendly fire due to spell sculpting, massive ice storms without friendly fire due to spell sculpting, Gale sits on a total of 4 lv4, 3 lv5, 1 lv6 spell slots plus another 4 slots of lv3, lv2, lv1 slots to cast magic missiles with or CC spells.

Warlock is just so bad as a class, people quickly realize that and he's getting left out of most party comps. He's in the same boat as Minsc, except with Minsc at least you can see him as a Berserker from his previous life before meeting Boo and becoming a beastmaster ranger (which is weak in this game, and stat blocks don't support Minsc being a ranger with both 2H proficiency and bow proficiency).

Last edited by Zenith; 08/09/23 04:13 PM.