Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Story & Character Discussion [END SPOILS WARNING] Addressing Karlach (PLEASE PUT SPOILERS IN TAGS)

They can literally add a loot from steel watcher, that fixes her issue. Her 2 quests are literally fetch quests that can be completed in 1 minute if you prepare first, why can't her last one look like that too? If they want to rewrite her story in DE then sure do what you want, but there is no way im waiting year or whatever just to feel Im playing an actual RPG where my choices actually have impact on characters, and not some joke from telltale

Yeah we get it, you can't wait and want some low quality fix. Make a mod or beg someone to do it for you, thanks. I'd rather wait for quality.

Although I completely understand your frustration (and I agree that it’s ridiculous that we even have to talk about a sheer lack of choice in a choice-based RPG when it comes to Karlach) asking for a fetch quest to fix Karlach’s story sounds unreasonable to me. It’s like, I dunno, covering a pothole with cardboard - looks a bit better but is still shite.

Also saying that adding one quest won’t take long is a bit ridiculous, it’s not like they just gonna add a few lines of dialogue into WordPad and call it a day. I think adding even one quest comes with a lot of work so it won’t bork the game logic etc.

I more than anything want Karlach to be happy and for that I’m willing to be patient. We need to be respectful and we need to keep this thread alive.

Agree with Raz here. We’ve already got one band aid solution and it made things if not worse than not very far from what we had originally. It felt rushed, Karlach was completely out of character, there was no way to interact with her, she didn’t even acknowledge you as a love interest if she was your romance option.

And although I appreciate Larian recognising us and doing something, well, no thanks, I don’t want another band aid solution, I’m happy to wait for a year or as long as it takes. And if later in the future we realise that nothing was done / nothing will be done, my pitchfork will be ready.

Maybe, but if creating just one quest was so much the game probably wouldn't release at all. And Im calling for the easiest of the easiest that are to add and create. Just to give the players who invested so much time anything

I make some meme about Karlach Ending Problem.
Be honest, even if this form of media is a little… childish, I still think that meme is a one of the best way to make a noise and bring ideas in humans heads. If you look on Reddit or other social network, you will see that posts with a meme inside taking really many looks. They fast and easy to understand product. So I make some.
You can use any of them freely without make a link or something on me. Just use it as you want. Post it on social network, use it in videos… do as you like, I`ll be glad.
(If someone saw first two on Reddit, this is not copyright, i`m creator of this two meme)
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You made me laugh) That's really cool

Thanks. I'm trying to send some of them (2 and 6) on Reddit... but just get a bunch of negative comment and minuses, especially for 6 (even deleted it).
Don't know, it's because anti-good-Karlach-ending people on Reddit so active, or I did something wrong...

That's probably cause at this point it's a dead horse and Larian is ACCUTELY aware of our issues with Karlachs story.

Great idea in my opinion! Memes are now an important weapon in any media.

It will be dead horse once they actually show that they are willing to do anything, instead of doubling down on their horrible and disrespectful writing like they did in patch 2

I just don't get why we need some re-write of the story, it's not like her quests are horrible. I never even thought about this, she has issue with an engine - find something to fix it. Simple as that. So if that's the case why can't last quest also look like that

Okay now I don't understand what you mean. People are calling for some god knows what re-write of the story, when her story and quests are even that bad. Sure other companions have them much more complex, but hey their problems are also much more complex? In Karlach's case she just needs to fix her heart and you just need to find something that solves the problem. That's it. So Im calling for something exactly like this

I think its more to do with the obvious potential that Karlachs story has just kind of ...sitting there. yes another fetch quest could Solve the issue of her ending and if Larian goes that route id still be grateful for it. but I think most of us want something akin to shadowhearts temple of shar, or astarians cazador mansion or even Lazels Creche. a section of content that fleshs out her story and gives some good closure and player choices to decide her fate. like even just a raid into avernus using that shopkeep in act3 like the house of hope to get something to fix her heart? or somehow even replace her engine with her REAL heart. that would be poetic and beautifully fullfilling IMO.

This is very interesting comment I found in different thread in this forum:

"Based on interviews and the art book, Larian didn't really know which direction to take Karlach. Apparently, she went through three significant versions. The aristocratic sharpshooter version who people through was an EA placeholder, the "Cool Karlach" who was a bit grimmer and tougher, and then the one we got, who was apparently pretty much based on the voice actress' charisma and delivery. Class-wise, they did not know whether she'd be a rogue (first version), sorcerer, paladin, or barbarian. Additionally, the general... oddities of the infernal engine idea (is it in her body, easily removed, why don't we ever see it? the cutscenes feel like something from 2010) make it clear it was a pretty late development. I think the voice actress has said she had no idea what the infernal engine was or that Karlach's chest was basically glowing."

You see, the thing is that her questline is fine the way it is, you get to know her character through banter and various dialogues with the quest of fixing her engine on the horizon. It would be all great if we were able to simply finish it and that's really not that hard to do, just one item, then dialogue with any npc required (Dammon is more than fine) and another dialogue at the end. Maybe let Gortash fix her as we strike a deal so she has to let go of her vegenance, but live free in return. Quite a nice character development and not that much of a work considering he's already there but we'd need just few lines of dialogue

I think will be better rewrite Gondians quest under her`s. I mean gondiands quest right now almost fully useless, only make it not 100% garbage. In that way they can fix both of it (useless gondiands and no big quest for Karlach).

I mean if they want to create some miracles then sure go for it, I just don't think it's necessary. Since all of this began I heard that "not every character is equal and not everyone needs happy ending" from people who defended her ending. And while this is just absolute nonsense I on the other hand think not every questline needs to be equally long and complex. It's even fitting for her to leave the story as it is, and just add option to fix her. She's a really straightforward character unlike Shadowheart or Astarion, her questline is just a journey to fix her heart so she can live a normal life and I don't think there's anything wrong with that (except for the fact you can't accomplish your goal). If they want to add epic fight with Zariel for Karlach's soul im more than cool with that, but as for now, just stealing the tech from Steel Watcher is enough, so me and many other players can actually enjoy the questline we put an effort and time into. Because if stealing the tech from them is enough there is nothing wrong with that, and would fit into an already existing story

I think "vengeance" questline with Gortash is awesome, this can stay as is in act3, also the idea of "infernal engine" questline itself is great, unfortunately the implementation is terrible and the quest is empty and incomplete. With all the ideas here I'm sure they are able to create far better one with more content and of course our desired ending

Post-fight Gortash is too good of an emotional beat to make Karlachs fix tied to making a deal with him.

They SHOULD go the Godian/Barcus Wroot route and make it so you can have them help you fix her if the Gondians and Barcus survive to Act 3 and Barcus becomes the leader of the Ironhands.