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I haven't seen anyone mention them yet so I'm doing it; what's the deal with Kethric's other kids? They're just in Reithwin being weird and evil. Unless I missed something in both my playthroughs, we never actually get told about them, they're just there for... reasons. Their fights have cool mechanics but that seems to be all they are. They don't affect the story at all. And I also feel like their presence is really weird when you take into account the whole of Kethric's story. He went to Shar because his wife and daughter died, but apparently this devoted husband and father was fine corrupting his THREE remaining children and letting them turn into complete abominations. He doesn't talk about them from what I've seen either, only his wide and Isobel. It's like the game doesn't even know that they exist. You don't even have to face any of them, it doesn't seem hard to just avoid them. So please, tell me if I'm just missing something.
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To start, I agree. I'd love to see some quests devoted to these characters, to flesh out their stories.
That said, are we sure they're all his kids?
I think it's mentioned that Thisobold is.
But I'm not sure about Geringothe and Malus. I wonder if they may be siblings to Ketheric, or perhaps aunt/uncle? Maybe it says otherwise somewhere? Hopefully, someone will be able to point to something that makes it clear, but I seem to remember questioning the relationships... perhaps it was the note in the tollhouse talking about how Ketheric's war was impacting trade, or maybe there was a mention of something in the House of Healing. I'd really have to go back and check.
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Anyway, point being, I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. I'd like these characters to be fleshed out more in Act II.
Last edited by JandK; 12/09/23 05:10 PM. Reason: added spoiler tag because everyone's using spoiler tags in this thread, apparently
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I assumed they were his kids since they were all named Thorm, but I suppose they could be siblings. But even still that means he had at least one other child that just doesn't factor into the story of a villain for whom family and loss is his entire motivation, which is still super weird. I do like the little stories that their areas paint, and their encounters re packed with flavor. It just feels like they exist entirely in isolation, like they're remnants of a previous version of the story.
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I assumed they were his kids since they were all named Thorm, but I suppose they could be siblings. But even still that means he had at least one other child that just doesn't factor into the story of a villain for whom family and loss is his entire motivation, which is still super weird. I do like the little stories that their areas paint, and their encounters re packed with flavor. It just feels like they exist entirely in isolation, like they're remnants of a previous version of the story. 100% agree.
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I assumed that dealing with the other Thorms at one point was involved in unraveling the secret of Ketheric’s immortality, or some other victory state at the end of Act II, maybe the secret Selunite quest too, but now they’re optional bosses who add flavor and lore to the town’s backstory. The whole druid harper war feels a bit like that too
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The barman was a bastard son. The surgeon was his brother. The tax collector seemed to be a cousin. What is clear is that he was the type of man who only cared for his nuclear family, that being his wife and daughter. Apparently his extended family meant little to him, and he happily gave them over to Shar.
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Unpopular opinion: act 2 has the worst story of all the 3 acts and its only redeeming factor is a cool final fight.
I may be wrong, but I get the feeling the 3 of them weren't related ro Ketheric in any way and calling them "Thorm" was a hastily last minute rewrite or something along those lines.
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There’s mention of the thorm family being influential or important in the region so it makes sense that these characters could be relatives. But even if one says he is Ketheric’s son, I find it hard to put it in with the rest of the story. If he is a bastard son , well, that just makes Ketheric an ass. If the reason he hates Aylin is because she dates his daughter, that also adds to the list of him just being an awful guy. However, during the game his story is implied to be “two sided”, as if he was actually not that bad until bad things happened to him…
Also, regarding Isabel, does anyone know how she died?
Rawr.
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I think you are giving this too much depth. I regarded it as a mere but pleasant detail that adds to the character of Ketheric Thorm, showing that the whole family had deep flaws resulting in them being so corruptible. I also think that only the innkeep was his son, and I think it was outside marriage, as someone else pointed out. It is also a nice showcase of fight mechanics, as all of these encounters are unique in how you can resolve them and how the fights play out. I would have appreciated some kind of dialogue of Ketheric regarding them, just to explain his relationship. Like him explaining why their corruption is different/misguided/inferior to his and justifying his deeds, as an example.
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I think you are giving this too much depth. I regarded it as a mere but pleasant detail that adds to the character of Ketheric Thorm, showing that the whole family had deep flaws resulting in them being so corruptible. I also think that only the innkeep was his son, and I think it was outside marriage, as someone else pointed out. It is also a nice showcase of fight mechanics, as all of these encounters are unique in how you can resolve them and how the fights play out. I would have appreciated some kind of dialogue of Ketheric regarding them, just to explain his relationship. Like him explaining why their corruption is different/misguided/inferior to his and justifying his deeds, as an example. No, considering how important family in the story of act 2 is this had too little depth.
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I think you are giving this too much depth. I regarded it as a mere but pleasant detail that adds to the character of Ketheric Thorm, showing that the whole family had deep flaws resulting in them being so corruptible. I also think that only the innkeep was his son, and I think it was outside marriage, as someone else pointed out. It is also a nice showcase of fight mechanics, as all of these encounters are unique in how you can resolve them and how the fights play out. I would have appreciated some kind of dialogue of Ketheric regarding them, just to explain his relationship. Like him explaining why their corruption is different/misguided/inferior to his and justifying his deeds, as an example. No, considering how important family in the story of act 2 is this had too little depth. But the missing of additional context is a statement on family in itself. Ketheric obviously did not care much for them, he only cared about his wife and especially the offspring of that relationship. The rest are just seen as thralls or unremarkable. Still, as said, I would at least have liked a comment on them by Ketheric.
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[quote=Ixal][quote=VincentNZ]
But the missing of additional context is a statement on family in itself. Ketheric obviously did not care much for them, he only cared about his wife and especially the offspring of that relationship. The rest are just seen as thralls or unremarkable. Still, as said, I would at least have liked a comment on them by Ketheric. I don't think the word "obviously" is justified at all. Nothing is obvious about this situation, as there is no dialogue about it in game. None. Good writing (or indeed any writing) is the backbone of an RPG. In Act II, there often simply isn't any.
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I assumed these were his bastards(using the term literally) that he created after switching allegiance the first time due to the loss of his daughter.
Basically his futile attempts to fill that void and the resulting corruption from either his lack of love/acknowledgment or possibly even his outright contempt towards these failed replacements for his daughter.
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