Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Story & Character Discussion [END SPOILS WARNING] Addressing Karlach (PLEASE PUT SPOILERS IN TAGS)

Yeah, I am much more inclined to wait and have them flesh out karlachs story with more content in general rather then a quick fetch quest that *fixes* her engine at this point.
The avernus cinimatic was a quick fix* and seeing as it didnt get recieved very well i would rather they dont just rush another quick fix*
Im more then happy to wait for a potential avernus section size content for her. Or something. I feel she deserves a section similer to size like the githyanki creche or shar temple. But thats me hoping for the most content

By the way can someone explain why Wyll still volunteers to go with Karlach to Avernus even after he breaks his pact and is about to lose all his powers?

GOD someone make these dipshit endings make sense.

I dunno man, imo Wyll is just an annoying doofus in general. "I'm a BLADE OF FRONTIERS!". He mostly sounds like this kind of guy who makes up nicknames for himself secretly. Also it's weird how Wyll and some other origins keep talking about him being a local legend but literally nobody acknowledges him when you get to the city. I don't mean to hate on Wyll but he's literally my least favourite origin character.

SPEAKING OF WYLL.

Here's how I know Larian (with all due respect) is bullshitting me about Karlach being "unfixable".

Mizora has a demonic buff so that if she is attacked, she gets pulled back into the hells out of harms way.

AND YET, Larian allowed her to be captured and be put in the mindflayer pod SPECFICALLY so Wyll could get out of his pact.

But I'm expected to believe Karlach can't even get a McGuffin?

Of all the companions, Karlach has arguably the most fixable problem.

Gale got told to kill himself by a god. He gets a Deus Ex.

Lze'Zel gets to start an uprising against someone who has unlimited Wish spells or just gets to stay in Faerun.

Shadow heart has the goddess of darkness after her. She gets TWO happy endings potentially.

Wyll has his soul owned by a devil. He gets that shit solved in Act 2.

Astarian is a slave to an ancient vampire. No problem.

But I'm expected to believe Karlach can't be cured because her engine is like... Old or something?

Nah, dog. I can only suspend my disbelief for so long.

Just give Karlach the ACTUAL ending she deserve, Larian.

So, adding new use for an existing item and few dialogues is task so hard and impossible it couldn't be done, but adding new dialogues across the acts, cutscene and reprogramming how they trigger specifically to justify bullshit ending as something "she deserves" could be done in two weeks?

We've been saying this for weeks. Which is why everyone are so pissed after Patch 2 because despite obvious solutions and everything that already happened in the game, larian went out of their way to somehow try tell us that not only Avernus is the only hope, but that's what Karlach deserves

The biggest kick in the pants was certainly

All I did was point out they had the easiest job to do, they didn't and now they are trolling fans. What there to argue about?

Which... They already did?

And people wonder why we say they are trolling us and doubled down on their stupid ending

I don't want to believe that Larian is really trolled Karlach's fans who just want her to be happy. They do not demand anything impossible or incredibly complicated like “GIVE US THE UPPER CITY BACK, IMMEDIATELY!” Trolling them would be a pretty idiotic decision on Larian's part.

As for now I call things by their name, and pretty sure im right

I would say we wonder, because for Larian to suddenly start trolling a -not so small section of their fan base- who genuinely want a happier ending for their companions and *doubling down* on the ending that so many of us ahve an issue with...would be such a massive 180 for them based on their entire history of game development that is would give them whiplash.
like I get the frustration, but I would implore you to look into the work they put into divinity 2 after launch, so many similarities to bg3 its rather crazy. and they took player feedback seriously added content completely changed a characters ending because of the outcry for it.
like...it literally makes Zero sense to think they are trolling us or doubling down THIS early into the release of the game. do i think their PR team is using some poor wording? oh hell yeah but id told off on just shitting on larian (while demanding that they do what you want?) until atleast 6 months after release.

They have track record that should make us hopeful and trolling the fanbase wouldn't make sense, that's true. But track record doesn't mean anything, look at BioWare and the fact that they went out of their way to make the situation worse than it was is also true. All this hope baiting only to get poor explanation why Avernus is the only possible "good" ending. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but for now it doesn't look like I will be

so I gotta say again with the bioware comparison its just not a good one my friend.
biowares problems and downfall can all be traced back to selling out to EA and last I checked Larian is still privately owned by swen and his wife. so they have the freedom to do what they want as opposed to what share holders demand.
which is why I have faith in them in the long term. just give them constructive feedback and chances are if its a big enough issue in the community they will address it. and given how much Karlachs story is hitting headlines as more and more ppl finish the game - they will put more effort into her ending and hopefully fleshed out content. which is why im happy to wait 6 to 10 months for an overhaul or added quest content for her. rather then demand a quick fetch quest that *fixes* her engine. id be content with the latter at the very least but I will continue to advocate for the former because it would just feel more fulfilling when compared to other origin character questlines.
and before you mention the ending she deserves cinematic again- i still am of the mind that is a band aid solution and they know it. the reception it recieved was not good but I think it was to try and give us something* other then her current endings especially with the other launches they were/ are planning. I personally would hope that after releasing that *band aid* solution Larian would hold off and rushing out another *bandaid* solution in the form of just a quick fetch quest that completes her engine. and instead takes their time and really give her something on the lvl of lazel or shadowheart. and I think most ppl here would prefer that

This is all very good and we would also like Karlach’s quest line to be on the level of Laezel and Shadowheart, but alas, we have no hints that Larian will actually do something about this, and adding new dialogues to her that are full of doom and hopelessness indicates that Larian continues (and will continue in the worst case) to insist that the Avernus ending is the best and most logical for her. I'd rather accept this bad thought now than face the fact that there are no changes to Karlach's plot and virtually no good ending for her in 6-10 months.

"Fiery, poignant and the ending she deserves" + added lines to earlier acts + lead writers fixation to "It's the hope that kills you" + his background in horror do kind of seem like they're really sticking to their guns with this tragedy storytelling and to their artistic integrity.

And I still can't understand... WHY DO I NEED A F*CKING TRAGEDY IN A FANTASY GAME?! THIS IS NOT THE "LAST OF US" AFTER ALL! WHY SHOULD KARLACH END BADLY?! LET GALE GET A TRAGIC END I DON'T MIND! WHY DID THEY MAKE LITERALLY THE MOST FUNNY AND NICE CHARACTER IN THE GAME DOOMED?! WHERE ARE THE "17,000 ENDINGS" AT THE END?! WHY DOES THE PLAYER'S ACTIONS DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING FOR KARLACH?!

JUSTICE FOR KARLACH!

There are new threads every day on all forums that the Act3 is a complete mess and is incomplete. I found one new here few minutes ago (https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=898253&gonew=1#UNREAD). So If Larian wants their reputation back, I'm 100% sure, they will release DE version of the game and hopefully with Karlach additional endings. Her story is not completed and avernus ending doesn't make sence even after patch 2 (new dialogs are nice, but have nothing to do with the fact, that we cannot in actual game fix her engine).

Bioware had great reputation and they threw it all away which eventually led to their downfall, same thing may (or rather is happening i'm afraid) here. BG3 is commercial success, money is flowing so why bother? The trolling part makes little sense, but I've seen companies doing things that are far more stupid *cough cough blizzard cough cough* so that wouldn't surprise me. They are likely going for bethesda Fallout 3 route where you have to make "heroic sacrifice" despite obvious solution being right there and then it turns out you actually survive in DLC. Same thing happening here, obvious fixes across act 3 but you have to go to Avernus (likely dlc) to finally get fixed