Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Story & Character Discussion [END SPOILS WARNING] Addressing Karlach (PLEASE PUT SPOILERS IN TAGS)

Yes but we still do have hope because they released DE for DOS2 with tons of implemented feedback and updated companion quests. Of course they can abandon the game after few bug fix patches, but I don't think this will be the case. Fingers crossed.

Apart from the karlach issue, who else thinks that the whole final mission

As someone who never played divinity original sin 2, can someone summarize what larian changed/improved for certain companions in the definive edition? I see people mention that the origin character beast (and fane i believe?) got ''fixed'', but i havent really been able to find anything online that explains what was wrong with this character to begin with, and how larian fixed it in the definitive edition. Most i see people repeat is that ''they improved the character/added some new dialogue'', but thats rather vague.

Just wondering in regards to what we could realistically expect larian to do with karlach in future patch updates or a definite edition release of bg3. I mean ill be happy if they at least update the questline to allow us to fix the engine situation, although id love for them to actually give her a more substantial story than just a fetch quest but depending on how they fixed beast in dos2 itd be good to know where to set my expectations lol.

Many, many people lol.

As far as I remember, at the release of Original Sin 2, Fane simply did not have a good ending, only bad and very bad (almost like Karlach), the Beast simply had a very short quest line, and very weak development of his personal story.
Also, the main location of Act 3 - the city of Ark, was essentially an empty blank in which there were literally three quests. But I could be wrong, since I played the release version of Original Sin 2 in 2015.

Larian have officialy stated that quote: [i]What�s been datamined is not really cut content but content that we didn�t want to release because we didn�t think it worked. We�re pretty strict with ourselves and our ideas. If it isn�t good - if it isn�t fun to play - it doesn�t make it into the game.[/i]

So I sincerely believe that they are not planning on adding the 6 months later stuff or any of the cut content, and with everyone treating BG3 as the second coming of Jesus even with its obvious problems I don't believe they will. Ever.

I mean why would they? The majority of their playerbase is happy with what they got, the game is sitting at 96 on Metacritic with a broken/disjointed Act 3 and a pathetic ending so why bother.

Didn't D:OS2 get a Metacritic of 93? Yes, it was relatively unheard of compared to BG3, but then again they also released a DE for D:OS2 that apparently fixed companions or whatever that others are claiming a year after. There will come a time where people will start finishing the game and feel like Act 3 is kind of a mess, and reviewers are already somewhat catching onto the fact that Act 3 is a mess.

Monetarily (and this is just me hoping, since I'm mostly speaking out of my ***), releasing a DE version in the future will bring more eyes back to the game (even if free), and if they include fixes to the story/companions/lacking things like D:OS2 DE did, then I feel it would garner some new, positive attention.

You may be right, but on the other hand, they also removed all epilogs from the same reason and now they are planning to return them back because it was a mistake to remove them. Same thing could be with other removed content which wasnt "funny". Also this official state you posted is quite old and the situation is now very different.

The why* would most likely be due to them being that kind of company. Like the doom and gloom were getting in this thread after a month from release on pc. (Not even all platforms yet)
Seems to be thinking that larian has shown they are like every other developer that does pump and dump games. And they just...dont? So i get the frustration i get the critique i get the calls for better endings/content etc- what i dont get is this idea is the *they got their money so were stuck with it* attitude. It just hasnt been their way in any of their products.

And id argue the massive succuss of the game means they wont abandon it. Swen said he was expecting what? Like 150 to 250k concurrent players in the opening week? Damn near hit 900k and its been holding steady at 250 to 350 at any given day still? Weither its DE (which i think is likely) or DLC (which for larian im happy to support) I sincerely doubt they are done with bg3 content

The ONLY thing I'm really worried about is the fact that writers can be hardheaded sometimes when they fall in love with a narrative. Even if it makes no sense.

Like when someone writes a really great speech that they want to do even if the context doesn't fit.

Well divinity needed some work right? All we need is a simple fetch quest for the story to become alright, and all we got for now was really bad hope baiting and trolling so you get my point

See, literally what a guy said few hours ago, why would they bother with obvious solution for a good ending to character if everything is cool and money flows

I'm like 99.9% sure that nobody's trolling us, it just feels that PR team is a bit disconnected and they choose their words quite poorly. I mean no disrespect but why this thread is so full of hopelessness now? Cheer up, soldiers and stop spreading panic, there's a patch coming in less than a week, let's draw some conclusions once we get a bit more information, ay?

You keep forgetting that A LOT of other things in the game need addressing and fixing too, not just Karlach. (Minthy for example or or ooor ALL THE EPILOGUES?? Or Act 3 in general)

Also, do y'all remember them saying about that datamined cut content they decided to remove due to endings being "too long"? And now they are calling all the VAs together. That means that they will what, redo the epilogues? So since they are not using the stuff that was cut, it means they are doing it from scratch. Could be a good sign too

My birthday is on the 24th.

A new Berserk episode and Phantom Liberty is coming out that week.

Would be absolutely wild if they also gave us some hope for a happy Karlach ending

Ah, so many great gifts Here's hoping that things will get clearer after patch 3.

Yep, we all gotta stay hopeful. Sure, we're unhappy with the current endings but it's too early to tell right now.


I would really hope so. That callback announcement/tweet was before Patch 2/cigar epilogue, but hopefully with the continued "outcry" it extends past that (engine fix please).

Have they actually talked about patch 3? Like a possible release date and/or what changes might bring?

I'm the type of player that simply plays the game, this is the closest I've to be in a game's community. So I don't know if they have posted something about it. But I see y'all talking like patch 3 will be out tomorrow.

Patch 3 comes out on the 21st, it probably won't have a good Karlach ending since that would be kinda soon and they already said they're working on adding epilogues to all of the characters. Beyond that they haven't said what they're going to do, but since the most requested story change after epilogues is giving Karlach a good ending (I checked), I have high hopes that will be next.

Also I have a post on the discord feedback thread asking for another Community Update to address Karlach having a good ending (among other things) and it's pretty highly rated, so hopefully they will take note and maybe give us a peek behind the curtain.