Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
So regarding Kethric's timeline, it's still a bit weird but here's what I think is tripping you up:

I think that Kethric didn't start using Aylin for immortality until after his resurection. Before that, he captured her in the Shadowfell and kept her imprisoned just out of spite, using the dark justiciar initiation as a way to torture her. Balthazar and the soul cage came into the picture when he was returned to life. The fact he had Aylin as a resource for the soul cage just turned out to be a bit of good fortune, after a fashion.
Okay this explains Aylin fully, but I'm still confused as to the timeline of Balthazar's involvement

Was it not Balthazar who betrayed Ketheric by striking a deal to summon Yurgir? Why would he do that 100 years ago if Myrkul was dead, only to turn to Myrkul about 80 years later when the opportunity arose? Aylin says she was trapped by Ketheric and Balthazar, but Balthazar is not a Sharran. Does she mean that Ketheric trapped her first in the Shadowfell, and Balthazar later with the Soul Cage? What was Balthazar's pre-Myrkul objective?


Originally Posted by Cawyden
No that wasn't Balthazar. There was the head of the Guild (sorry, forgot the name) in the town that striked a deal with Raphael to get the Sharrans killed. And Raphael sent Yugir. But he also betrayed Yugir because there is one Sharran/Dark Justiciar in the gauntlet that escaped him because he himself stroke a deal with Raphael and turned in all these rats. So Yugir could not kill him (the last Sharran) and therefore was trapped in the gauntlet.

This still doesn't account for Balthazar trying to "recover the relic" when you get there in Act2.
The relic is very much safe and intact, with 3 of the Orbs required being in the Gauntlet, and 1 with Yurgir. Isn't it actually better for Ketheric to have those Orbs scattered all around the place so that no one can reach Aylin? Yurgir could have had his Orb for 100 years at this point. And now that I think about it, it also doesn't make too much sense to leave the Spear of Night lying around, because if an actual Sharran was to somehow successfully navigate through the Gauntlet and Yurgir and get to the Shadowfell, they'd kill Aylin, which means Ketheric loses his source of invulnerability forever - and this is something that happens, by the way. Aylin in every scenario is more beneficial alive for Ketheric, and even if she's spared and freed, she gets recaptured about 3 cutscenes later and placed in a temporary soul cage, which I guess Ketheric knew how to create? Balthazar never needed to reach Aylin because he has 10 years ago at that point - so with the clarifications by Gray Ghost, the timeline would look something like this:

-Ketheric traps Aylin in the Shadowfell but is not invincible yet, and then is promptly betrayed.
-Many years later in 1482, Ketheric is ressurected by the Myrkulite Necromancer Balthazar and tries to convince Ketheric to become the Chosen of Myrkul and to take part in the Absolute plot.
-Ketheric accepts on the only condition that his daughter is brought back as well. Isobel is ressurected, runs away, and he becomes the Chosen.
-Then they start putting in work to make the Absolute plot happen.
-At some point, Balthazar convinces Ketheric to create a Soul Cage around Aylin - they would have to physically go to Aylin and put her in the Cage.
-They collect the Four Orbs - whether they would have to go through the Gauntlet or if they would have to fight Yurgir is unknown. Shar would not open the door at will, as Ketheric has long forsaken Shar at this point.
-Now, Ketheric would want to seal away every bit of access to the Shadowfell and account for the smallest of disturbances (remember, he is a smart General person).
-Three Orbs are put back in the Gauntlet, and one ends up with Yurgir (somehow).
-The Spear of Night is never removed from it's resting place despite being the only weapon in existence that could kill Aylin, which would permanently remove Ketheric's source of invulnerability.
-In the event of Aylin breaking free and severing the invulnerability, baiting her to Moonrise Towers is the only way to have her reliably recaptured with some tentacle shenanigans.
-Ketheric can, at will, easily create another Soul Cage around Aylin, and does so in the final bossfight in Act2.
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter when the Soul Cage is actually deployed, the story still remains broken frown

Last edited by ghettojesusxx; 17/09/23 05:45 PM.