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Chubblot posted this yet-to-be-triggered Karlach scene. Thoughts? Excited to see what people uncover. I'm very likely going to delve into it myself soon, but from another angle. If this thread continues to live I may continue to update this head post.

Edit 1: Samantha Beart (Karlach VA) tweeted about this and apparently it may be triggerable? Then again, the game files say otherwise... and that they don't know what to do with it just yet. eating my words, the files don't mention that after my own investigation. Tweet: https://twitter.com/SamanthaBeart/status/1703158961753502110 My investigation: https://gist.github.com/Invuska/a8901dbf2dd85438aee73f5864f26345

Edit 2: Apparently the trigger is not cut content but rather just obscure. Curious to see if anyone finds it more naturally. https://twitter.com/chubblot/status/1703160017824649664


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Yep, after watching that I can say without a doubt that I still hate 4th wall breaks. laugh

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Yeah, this whole millennial twitter humour thing they got going for this character doesn't really work for me.

One more reason to side with the "paladins of Tyr" I suppose.

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Now I'm about as big a Karlach fan as you can get, however honestly I'm glad this didn't make it into the final game.

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Originally Posted by Nessius
Now I'm about as big a Karlach fan as you can get, however honestly I'm glad this didn't make it into the final game.

Just gathering a discussion about it and bringing it to light biggrin That said, it was originally thought to be cut content but the VA is hinting on twitter that it's just obscure (so maybe it is in the final game). Will investigate gamefiles if this is the case and update.

Edit: Found it. For that one random person who stated that the header of the dialogue file says that they (Larian devs) don't know what to do with it yet, I see no such thing. It's under /Dialogs/Companions/Karlach_InParty_Nested_FourthWall.html if you datamined the dialogs yourself or through the online repo. Gist/code source: https://gist.github.com/Invuska/a8901dbf2dd85438aee73f5864f26345

P.S. Spent way too much time trying to pretty print the HTML to a simpler text file but I'm apparently too tired to make the script work correctly right now. Maybe tomorrow.

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I actually like this. The game is humorous, and the chars having moments of self-awareness is adding to it. You have an exit in every line, if you don't want to continue, too, for the more... grumpy folks out there.

I don't consider this to be "millennial twitter humour". Breaking the 4th wall while having plausible deniability is older than even me, and I'm ancient.

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I actually kind of love it. Then again, I am a Gen Z Zoomer so I guess I should leave now and eat dirt

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Originally Posted by Nessius
Now I'm about as big a Karlach fan as you can get, however honestly I'm glad this didn't make it into the final game.
Seems like it probably did make it to the final game, just that it's hard to trigger. I and many others are retracting our words now that it's cut content; waiting to see if someone can find the organic trigger in-game.

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Originally Posted by Invuska
I actually kind of love it. Then again, I am a Gen Z Zoomer so I guess I should leave now and eat dirt

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Originally Posted by Nessius
Now I'm about as big a Karlach fan as you can get, however honestly I'm glad this didn't make it into the final game.
Seems like it probably did make it to the final game, just that it's hard to trigger. I and many others are retracting our words now that it's cut content; waiting to see if someone can find the organic trigger in-game.

Kind of an oldhead here and i loved it as well, i think it works surprisingly well given the setting tbh, very fascinating if it can indeed be triggered organically

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Not sure I would go through with it in my play, but this is definitely fun to see/know! Thanks for posting and updating. Just off her VA, I could listen to Karlach talk for hours anyway.


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It's a nice scene to break the pace. There are some really cranky folks in here, sheesh.

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I found that that to be surprisingly upsetting honestly. The end when she's glad we're having fun took the edge off at least.

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Originally Posted by Nerovar
Yeah, this whole millennial twitter humour thing they got going for this character doesn't really work for me.

One more reason to side with the "paladins of Tyr" I suppose.

I am always amused when I see people describing this sort of thing as "millenial twitter humor."

You know millenials and twitter did not invent fourth wall breaks, right? That the original series included numerous wall-breaks and pop culture references well before twitter existed - like a cheeky reference to the Blair Witch Project. Or blatant references to the DnD cartoon where they joked that all the characters from it were killed horribly. Or an entire extended quest sequence in ToB where you meet some low-level adventurers, send them on a quest, they try attacking you for your loot and then "reload" when they fail to kill you? And these were super easy to run across, hardly a well-hidden easter egg. Frankly I am willing to bet they had way more outright wall-breaking moments and direct references to other media than BG3 does in general. I think you'd have a hard time blaming that on millenials, given that the oldest millenials were 19 at the time the game came out.

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Originally Posted by Invuska
Edit 2: Apparently the trigger is not cut content but rather just obscure. Curious to see if anyone finds it more naturally. https://twitter.com/chubblot/status/1703160017824649664

"How does it end". I wish there was an option - "the ending is a bit of an unfinished mess".

That's potentially a fun idea. Either as an easter egg, or if it was part of a larger more wacky sequence - you know like drug induced halucinations in Max Payne.

Just a random conversation in the camp, eh not so much.

Originally Posted by sailorgundam
Just off her VA, I could listen to Karlach talk for hours anyway.
I... not so much. She is the only character whose VO I found questionable. Not it terms acctresses performance (she actually doesn't a fantastic job in the few story beats Karlach gets at the end of the game) - it just the voice doesn't seem fit the character. Why does a massive hulk of a tiefling sound like a halfdrunk brit girl in a pub? It is as if they hired Nick Frost to do his Shaun of the Dead shtick to voice Conan the Barbarian.

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I don't hate this. I'm genuinely surprised how good it looks in first-person. Maybe it was some weird prototype/conceptual idea? Makes me wish the whole game was like that, even if it's mostly the novelty of seeing it like that. It's a fun scene but I kind of wish it was a bigger part of the plot, like with the dream visitor or something, instead of a goofy easter egg. I felt like I'd really dislike it but it's neat.

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I... not so much. She is the only character whose VO I found questionable. Not it terms acctresses performance (she actually doesn't a fantastic job in the few story beats Karlach gets at the end of the game) - it just the voice doesn't seem fit the character. Why does a massive hulk of a tiefling sound like a halfdrunk brit girl in a pub? It is as if they hired Nick Frost to do his Shaun of the Dead shtick to voice Conan the Barbarian.

I believe the VA did an interview a few weeks back mentioning that she was hired to do a tougher, grimmer voice (that's presumably fit with the old 'Cool Karlach' face) but that it was difficult on her vocal cords and between that and her natural energy, it resulted in big changes to Karlach's character. The infernal engine was also a very late development, so late that she didn't know what it was or looked like.

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Originally Posted by Milkfred
I believe the VA did an interview a few weeks back mentioning that she was hired to do a tougher, grimmer voice (that's presumably fit with the old 'Cool Karlach' face) but that it was difficult on her vocal cords and between that and her natural energy, it resulted in big changes to Karlach's character. The infernal engine was also a very late development, so late that she didn't know what it was or looked like.
Thanks for the info! Interesting stuff.

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Would you have preferred a thick Scottish accent instead? lmao

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This is awesome! smile Loving every bit of it.

There's like a million chances for the cranky scrubs to leave this conversation if they dislike it, I hope this gets more easily triggered in-game. I've had Karlach in 3 playthroughs now and never found this.

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So I commented on Sam's tweet, chub's video, even shot Larian an email. I swear I got this dialogue but chose different options from what was shown in the video.

My main save has about 200 hours of me checking everything and I haven't beaten the game once (though close) while having a couple saves with friends that haven't progressed past act 2.

While I'm certain I got this dialogue, I can't recall what I was doing before it happened because my sessions end up being "just one more thing " and then I look at the clock an it's 4 am.

I'm hoping larian replies and can somehow use their telemetry to verify I triggered the flag or somebody else cares enough to hear what I've done in-game and figure it out so the rest of the class can enjoy.


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