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Weight carried should be individual. If your character has low strength and can't carry a lot I have no sympathy. Choices and consequences. However, games could give options just like pnp. Horses, wagons, and cart. Tenser's Floating Disc, and bags of holding.

As for main topic. It's a toss up. Both have strengths and weaknesses. The Pathfinder games are more true to dnd, but bg3 has great production spending and values abd it shows it. Plus, surprisingly to myself, I actually like the bg3 companions more than I thought I would.

If bg3 can hold up in the last two chapters, it might pull ahead...

Is this the biggest thread in the forums?
Owlcat and Larian should do a get together party event. To celebrate the two best cRPGs of recent times.

I mean, they are also the last two with a sizable budget, incidentally.

Lariat should handle gameplay.
Obsidian or owlcat should get story, seriously the camellia romance arc had my motor running twice as hard as anything in bg3 even with all the porn.

And from where, exactly, do you get "sizable budget" for WotR? Please do show me, because by my reckoning WotR's budget was a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of BG3's budget.

Try to ask nicely next time and I'll teach you the basic logic of estimating a budget.

Also, can't help but point that the only reason you decided to take offense with my use of the word "sizable" is because you most likely arbitrarily decided to attach the WRONG interpretation to it.
For example you probably assumed that I meant its budget was close to BG3.
Something that not only I didn't actually said but I openly contested in the past, stressing the massive difference between the two.

I did ask extremely politely and nicely, but as usual you're being you. So let's forget I asked, and I'll remember to never ever engage with you again on anything.

Thoughts? [/quote]
Lariat should handle gameplay.
Obsidian or owlcat should get story, seriously the camellia romance arc had my motor running twice as hard as anything in bg3 even with all the porn.[/quote]



Doesn't Lariat make clothing? Why would you want them to handle gameplay?

https://www.shoplariat.com/

This forum isn't as toxic as steam discussions but could be much better if people tried to be a little nicer to each other. Please do better, you're asking someone else to be nice but by the way you're writing it doesn't seem you're being nice either.

The posts just above are from more than two weeks ago, and better not brought back to life.

Let’s just refocus on the the topic.

I wonder how BG3 will compare to Rogue Trader (although knowing Owlcat it will be very buggy).
Still, I think Owlcats storytelling is generally superior to Larian, although the voice acting and presentation will of course mean that in the eyes of the masses BG3 will always be seen more favorable, not matter what.

Interestingly Owlcat seems to be going into the other direction than Larian when it comes to romances and most characters are not romanceable at all. Which is imo quite fitting for 40K and their background

I think that Rogue Trader will totally be the better game. I already think that WotR is the better game by miles. As for romance, it's not something I'd have thought to compare between the two games but now you mention it, while I don't need all companions to be romanceable at all, Owlcat is still demonstrating a less than ideal balance in their romance options. 3/4 romances, with only one same sex woman romanced by women and no same sex male romance. I'm happy with both the Larian and Owlcat approaches but I do find ommissions like that to be a touch disappointing, and I feel a little bad for anyone who would have wanted a male/male romance.

I assume the companion shown in the release date trailer, Marazhai, will have a male romance, given their "reputation". Although that companion looks to be quite optional...

Also, I do not get the insistence on romance. In nearly all RPGs they are quite badly done and even if good don't really add much to the game. But as BG3 and other games like ME have shown for some reason players carve "romance" in games.

I suppose its a matter of taste. I always enjoy a romance in these games and think they do add something. Its another way to express your character and explore who they are and what they want. Romance is another vector for interacting with and relating to the world. Another context doe us to roleplay in, letting us bring out other aspects of our characters.

Storytelling is less hard when you're pulling the content out of an adventure path.

After playing both games quite a bit...final impressions:

WOTR is less in your face and technicolor, partly because there are no comparable "cinematic" episodes in WOTR, and WOTR (in a trope) lacks the orc NPCs with pink hair and metallic eyeliner. There isn't as much forcing of degeneracy on your rp (only really a couple of the Sosiel convos, that's about it, whereas in BG3 the invitations to buttsecs are nigh constant and ubiquitous).

BG3 has better exploration and much better environmental/system reactivity, and overall a better sense of immersion (although a lot of that's to do with the miles-better graphics - enhanced even more by the WASD/camera mods btw).

WOTR has better combat and a better build system (though perhaps too fussy at times, there's something to be said for 5e streamlining on occasion, it just goes the other way and is too simple); the mythics are more interesting to build and play with than the illithid powers.

Story and cc-wise, I think they're about even. There are definitely a few weighty decisions you can make in both games.

Encounter design, I have to say that BG3 edges out here. WOTR is no slouch, there are a few very cool set pieces just like in BG3, but each encounter in BG3 stands out more, whereas there are a lot of generic trash fights in WOTR - something I don't hate personally, but in terms of per capita good encounter percentage vs bad, BG3 wins out, if you're being strict about it.

Personally, I remember really loving PFK more than BG3 at the time, whereas WOTR I liked less, but that was mainly because I found the demons a more boring adversary than the fey, who were brilliantly sinister in the first game. BG3's villains, with only a few exceptions like Raphael, don't really stand out as much - although it's difficult here, because the way they're rendered in realism and technicolour makes them all "stand out" more in purely graphics terms, but just conceptually and in terms of writing most of them are less interesting in BG3, even despite being more fleshed-out in some cases in terms of writing bulk.

WOTR's story is pretty coherent, whereas BG3's rambles a bit and feels disconnected in places, with the quest flow not quite supporting it.

About the same level of bugginess on release, they'll probably have about the same level of polish when they're in their final form.

I should say ofc that the VO in BG3 is a billion times better than in WOTR, but that's kind of a "cheat," like the far-superior graphics. It does make every little encounter even with minor NPCs more "real-seeming" and occasionally very entertaining. But it's really a side-issue in the grand scheme of things.

Difficult to say. Personally I give the laurel to BG3, in terms of there being a lot of shit in both games, but the good outweighing the bad in both games. But only just, and mainly because I'm a graphics whore. WOTR is a considerable game in its own right. And if the comparison was between PFK and BG3 (relative to time and immersion/enthusiasm for the games as I was playing them), I would say PFK.

To All:
Please refrain from politically charged and pejorative terms like "woke." There are better words to use to make your point that do not involve derogatory language.
Further, the use of "degenerate" or "degeneracy" in reference to LGBT content or people is completely out of line.

The main reason I like bg3 more is i can't get wotr to run on Linux. >.>

As for politically charged comments, they should have left out references to idpol and modern day politics and this wouldn't be a thing.

Calm, respectful discussion of specific political points that are directly relevant to the game and on topic for the thread is acceptable. Derogatory terms are not, and that includes appearing to refer to LGBT content in the game as “idpol” which will be understandably interpreted by many as dismissive and politically loaded and is not the sort of language we should be using in a global, diverse community like this. Remember we’re talking about things that relate to very personal aspects of many of our real lives.

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Are we allowed to say hardcore leftwing propaganda being forced down our throats?

Thats not fair you saying that we cant use the word Woke. An enormous % of the player base dont like it and it is fair criticism of the game that alot of people find revolting, disgusting and immoral.