By "it" I mean despairing for an acknowledgment, of course, not the movement itself. There's no way in hell (heh) they aren't aware of us, and so far I believe we're good at keeping it that way.
I am beginning to feel like this movement is the REAL final Karlach questline...
By "it" I mean despairing for an acknowledgment, of course, not the movement itself. There's no way in hell (heh) they aren't aware of us, and so far I believe we're good at keeping it that way.
I am beginning to feel like this movement is the REAL final Karlach questline...
We never got closure and we're all comforting one another by the campfire, so in a way you're right ahah
I guess they don't want to put themselves in a position where they overpromise and underdeliver. That's how it's always been with Larian. But hell yeah, a small simple reassurance that Karlach's quest/ending will be fixed some time down the line (or even if them saying they will look into it) would've been just magical. But then again, I believe it was tarraxahum who said that despite all of us here wanting the same thing, we imagine it differently or want it done through different means. I guess it's just really tricky with announcements that can be twisted and later used against them
Played through Cyberpunk again to prep me for Phantom Libery:
CYBERPUNK SPOILERS!!!
It got me comparing V's story to Karlach. I know a lot of people wanted a happy ending for V; I did as well. But CDPR could not have told a more perfect tragedy.
Every single ending holds significance in what it means to live a life. The ending where you let Johnny take over your body legit had me tearing up. You gave your life for someone else to have a shot at redemption. Every ending tells you something about yourself and what it means to be a person. Do you want glory? Do you want to just end the pain? Do you want to live the little time you have left with your loved ones or betray them all and claw at the small chance you have to live?
It's an incredible story of a doomed character.
Again, I WANTED V to live, but I could walk away from the game knowing the developers had a true vision and one they told incredibly well.
But Karlach? What is the lesson?
Good people die? I watch the news, I understand that already. Bad shit happens to kind people? I'm a 33 year old man, I learned that a long time ago.
For a character like Karlach, she would need to be the center of the ENTIRE game for her story to bare weight. And even her origin character just feels like a giant circle with no closure. Instead we get 2 fetch quests and are expected to think her story has lasting meaning. But it just frustrates the players, leaving questions of why there are so many loose ends and unexplored options.
I respect what Larian was trying to do with her. But her story isn't something that can be told well by a companion. There isn't enough there to have any lasting meaning. Especially in a game that puts choices and consequences at the forefront.
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There is a chance we won't get definitive edition. Act 3 barely works on PC, so in few days we'll see how poorly it looks on Macs. How do you expect more things to be added? Now add the new voicelines for Karlach from patch 2 and you see that it's very not likely
While at work today, working with patients in healthcare, I had quite an interesting discussion with my colleagues re: immunosuppressive medicines and transplants. According to the newer studies, the survival for 15-20 years after a heart transplant is becoming the rule rather than chance. Which means that Karlach would have a better chance at survival in the real world she doesn't exist in, than the fantasy world with multiple planes of existence, magic, divine powers of all kinds, a f*ckton of varied races and classes of people incredibly skilled in their own ways...you name it. They kill humanoids all the time, just pick a healthy fucker, bring the heart to a good surgeon and make sure you have someone knowledgeable in infernal blacksmithing there too to support the out-taking of the engine, and reverse the process.
I mean c'mon. If we can keep people with end-stage heart failure alive by changing their failing heart for a donor's one, and have them survive for twenty odd years (mind, this requires medical checkups, medication, good overall health and a team of professionals through the years), how is Karlach's particular case such a doomed/bound to fail one? What is it that makes her engine situation so particular that in the world of Faerûn and DnD, there's not a single soul in the surroundings of Baldur's Gate that can help? Gale can get a boon with a goddess that grants him a pardon for trying to reach godhood, if he agrees to explode at the end of the game - WHICH TA-FRIGGEN-DAH, HE CAN DEUS EX FROM, but our girl Karlach has to be sold off to Zariel and unwillingly become her champion after getting her heart ripped out/taken out/magically transformed ????? and branded with all kinds of Zariel-propaganda tattoos like her little pet.
C'mon. I understand that there's a lot of sustenance in the idea that she has to accept her fate. It'd be a sorrowful but meaningful one....had she existed in a more realistic world and not surrounded by a bunch of crazy fuckwits that have messed up with gods themselves and gotten themselves in particulates FAR WORSE to get out of than Karlach. And each and every one of them is given at least one way out of their issue. Why not her? Why do the options get to be: - Squid - Explode into flames and die - Live but only if you go back to the last place you want to set your foot in, ever again, probably getting swarmed by an army of Zariel at somepoint
My ADHD is hyperfixating like nuts because she's come to mean such a great deal to me and I cannot wrap my head around how we can bring folk back from the dead (revivify, true resurrection), grow back cut limbs (regenerate), wish for genuinely anything or any event to be nullified (out of bounds for BG3 levels but still in world and could be granted by gods/powerful magic users), asked for help from a deity of Tav's as a cleric or in general (divine intervention)...
I mean how is her heart more of a problem than Mollymauk/Lucien in CR2 (spoilers but once again, divine intervention and greater restoration, y'all).
There is a chance we won't get definitive edition. Act 3 barely works on PC, so in few days we'll see how poorly it looks on Macs. How do you expect more things to be added? Now add the new voicelines for Karlach from patch 2 and you see that it's very not likely
To be fair, DOS2 was actually unplayable in the last act. As in a lot of people couldn't even complete the game because of the bugs. I don't think it's safe to speculate there won't be a DE.
There is a chance we won't get definitive edition. Act 3 barely works on PC, so in few days we'll see how poorly it looks on Macs. How do you expect more things to be added? Now add the new voicelines for Karlach from patch 2 and you see that it's very not likely
BG3 currently holds Steam's #7 spot for highest peak players (beating Cyberpunk 2077), and only recently fell from #2 to #3 for highest concurrent players, beaten only by Dota 2 and Counterstrike. And it's an indie CRPG.
It beat Divinity 2's numbers by nearly 10 times, and this isn't even counting non-PC numbers.
Seriously, the game's success can't be overstated. To think there won't be a definitive edition is kind of nuts, IMO.
If there isn't a definitive edition where they have a good karlach ending then it's probably going to be the last game I ever buy from Larian. As awesome as they are, I'm done being given terrible endings for the characters I love just cause they couldn't be bothered to finish it properly and also "lol, drama"
Yeah Id have to agree with you on this, fixing karlachs ending is a big hurdle for me, the way its done now literally drains my enjoyment of the rest of the game which again is a freaking amazing game otherwise. But the sheer Gut punch of finding out you cant save her and how incomplete her story was / hope baiting just makes me dread going into act 3 every play through ive tried since. Love larian but if they dont end up doing something to change her fate I dont think i will be able to buy the next game for fear of just feeling put out in the ending again...
It looks like Larian has added some dialog of what appears to be a new epilogue involving Withers. From what I gather, it is probably several months in the future and perhaps involves some interaction with companions.
If that is the case, and we get an epilogue that allows us to interact/talk with companions, it might be a possibility that Karlchs epilogues involves returning from Avernus with Tav/Wyll.
If so, I'll take it. Granted, I would prefer to have her quest line expanded to include a fix, but that kind of closure would be good enough for now.
Again, not 100%, don't take it as gospel since the dialog looks scattered and is very hard to get a clear picutre, but interesting none-the-less.
It looks like Larian has added some dialog of what appears to be a new epilogue involving Withers. From what I gather, it is probably several months in the future and perhaps involves some interaction with companions.
If that is the case, and we get an epilogue that allows us to interact/talk with companions, it might be a possibility that Karlchs epilogues involves returning from Avernus with Tav/Wyll.
If so, I'll take it. Granted, I would prefer to have her quest line expanded to include a fix, but that kind of closure would be good enough for now.
Again, not 100%, don't take it as gospel since the dialog looks scattered and is very hard to get a clear picutre, but interesting none-the-less.
It looks like Larian has added some dialog of what appears to be a new epilogue involving Withers. From what I gather, it is probably several months in the future and perhaps involves some interaction with companions.
If that is the case, and we get an epilogue that allows us to interact/talk with companions, it might be a possibility that Karlchs epilogues involves returning from Avernus with Tav/Wyll.
If so, I'll take it. Granted, I would prefer to have her quest line expanded to include a fix, but that kind of closure would be good enough for now.
Again, not 100%, don't take it as gospel since the dialog looks scattered and is very hard to get a clear picutre, but interesting none-the-less.
It looks like Larian has added some dialog of what appears to be a new epilogue involving Withers. From what I gather, it is probably several months in the future and perhaps involves some interaction with companions.
If that is the case, and we get an epilogue that allows us to interact/talk with companions, it might be a possibility that Karlchs epilogues involves returning from Avernus with Tav/Wyll.
If so, I'll take it. Granted, I would prefer to have her quest line expanded to include a fix, but that kind of closure would be good enough for now.
Again, not 100%, don't take it as gospel since the dialog looks scattered and is very hard to get a clear picutre, but interesting none-the-less.
It looks interesting, but wasn't this 'reunion epilogue' found to be cut content from a long time ago?
It's SIMILAR but from what was datamined, these are new additions in Patch 3 and involves Withers implying you can interact with your companions after a reunion.
From what I can tell, and I may be wrong, Larian might be replacing the ending slides with a night-at-the-tavern kind of epilogue.
Which, not gonna lie, would be fuckin SICK.
Again, would prefer a fix quest for Karlach in the base game. But coming back from Avernus and chilling with friends would be very welcome.
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Again, would prefer a fix quest for Karlach in the base game. But coming back from Avernus and chilling with friends would be very welcome.
Pretty much how I feel. A more thorough fix to the way her story is written would be ideal for me, but I think a more substantial epilogue like this info hints at might be the best we get. I'm not really familiar with how Larian works since BG3 is my first game from them, but it sort of seems like the level of rewrites/extra content specifically for Karlach that so many people around here want is rather well beyond the scope of what you'd expect pretty much any developer to do, especially post-launch.
The datamined Withers text |Thou wert called here. Some from above, some below.| definitely speaks of some being called from either the Hells (below) or the afterlife (quite unlikely but not impossible). It would apply to Karlach alone, or with Tav and/or Wyll.
My only concern, and I have it as I'm used to cop-outs in games and tv media especially, is that they'd summon Karlach for this briefly and not as a means of saying they truly got her engine set and now settled in Faerûn. Since she was able to get it under control for a little while during the story, she'd maybe be able to periodically return to the upper plane, Will Turner style, before eventually having to get back to Avernus to stabilise the wretched thing.
I hope I'm wrong tho and my anxious ass will be proven wrong. I'd too prefer a better story/questline solution ingame than having them go to Avernus and work on it offscreen, but as long as she lives and gets to have a happy ending sometime later, I'll be okay.
I would be pretty sad to see that. Honestly. Like larian has to know now that ppl want an option to legit save her. None of this dialogue justifcation to salve the wound stuff. Just give her the same treatment you gave the other origin characters....pleeaassee.
This has probably been said here already, but the more I think about it, the more I realize how tacked on a lot of her story feels. Her big quest objective (kill Gortash) is already an objective of the main story. It's literally something you were already going to do anyway. In fact, you have to do it if you want to progress in the game.
I don't know.
I was really enjoying this game, enough to play through it 4 times back to back, but the 4th one (where I focused on Karlach) just felt so unsatisfying. I'm kind of just feeling empty about the whole thing now. I think I'm going to put the game down for a few months and hope things get better.
