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The whole big cut content is essentially worthless. Few things were confirmed but most of it is speculation without any proof. And yeah, BG3 is popular, so why Larian should put even more money into the game? Why add things into location that barely works, why invest more resources and time into already huge financial success instead of cashing out and focusing on next project?

I agree. And they can safely abandon the EE plans if they even existed because the game already recieved overwhelming praise and was branded as saviour of crpg genre, so those discontent with unfinished state of act 3 and certain companions can be safely dismissed as 5% posing no potential damage to public image.

Yes of course they can. But experience from DOS games gives us much more hope, that if the game was from Bethesda for example.

And again this is not a fanservice in terms we want Karlach blue, so they will change her color to blue. This is more like they released unfinished game so it is in their interest to finish it. (And it is not only Karlachs case, there are as we all know tons of unfinished things)

Ya'll are wild if you think Larian would damage their reputation like that. Making a DE would boost sales. It boosted sale of all the DOS games as well.

hi everyone.
2 little off-topic questions but since almost everyone here is a karlach-"expert" i hope to find the answer here.

1.) if you romance karlach and decide to become a mindflayer, what is her reaction to that? ive heard that some companions break up with you.

2.) can you go back to avernus with karlach (optional with wyll too) while being a mindflayer? and could you, as a mindflayer, survive in avernus?

bonus) lorewise is it possible to maintain your own self while being a mindflayer? ==> ive read a comment, that it depends on the fact, if the ceremorphosis is succesful or not["the usual process of ceremorphosis ends up with the host dying, their soul leaving the body and the parasite taking the empty body over. Yet, if the ceremorphosis went wrong and these last three steps never got to complete, the host stays alive and doesn’t get connected to the hive mind. That is precisely what happened to the emperor and any character you chose to turn into a mindflayer. In fact, when Orpheus explains how he’s gonna make you an illithid who won’t obey the absolute he explains just that: he would let you begin the ceremorphosis but would stop it before it rids your of your free will."].


thank you for your help.



JUSTICE FOR KARLACH

BG3 is not their last game on earth. For a company that built the trust throughout so many years and is known to listen to its community that'd be quite a shit move to abandon THE game after such a massive success. I agree with Rae, DE will boost sales and make noise, drawing new attention to the game

Why abandon their golden goose? This is now their flagship game, and they can continue making money out of it for a long time beyond the base game.

This game took a lot of money and a very long time to make. It makes perfect sense to capitalize on that hard work by building upon it and expanding the consumer base.

In times as precarious as these for the gaming industry, relying on a proven IP to ensure sustainable revenue flows is almost mandatory. BG3 is now a popular and recognizable IP. Larian can afford to develop more than one game at a time.

When Mihoyo came out with Genshin, they were on the ropes. It was a big gamble that paid off tremendously. Now they're developing multiple games at the same time, while ensuring that their flagship game is well provided for.

Larian was a lot more confident in BG3, but they had similarly gambled a lot on its success. That gamble paid off, too. Now, by nourishing the BG3 community, they can ensure the success of their other games.

Heck, Microsoft is still making content for Age of Empires 2 to this day, and that game's ancient.

Financially it makes a lot of sense to keep focusing on bg3, it wouldn't make any sense not to. Not to mention, the extremely positive reviews and press they got would only be cemented further.

You may have heard about their rewrites for Beast (and Fane) from the Divinity series. Here's a video mentioning the changes made to Beast's story. Essentially, the main complaint they received about him was that his story felt incomplete so they gave his questline more substance and polish so that it feels complete. Much like Karlach, he became an origin character much later in development and similarly suffered for it.

Make of that what you will. However, keep in mind that the complaints for Karlach's story are different than the ones for Beast's. Plus, he was nowhere near as popular as she is, so you shouldn't expect them to repeat what they did for Beast and simply pad out her existing questline.

I believe they will do right by us and give us what we want, even if it might not be exactly in the way we imagined.

All I want. Is her to not HAVE to go back to avernus at the end. I want her to be healed and her issue come to a close. Like nearly every other origin character >_>

If its jist a quick added fetch quest with the gondians...fine ill take it.
But if they give us a way to add in avernus mid to late game as an exploreable area to flesh out her quest line AND solve her issue? - inject that sh#$ right into my VEINS. They could even do me dirty and make a dlc i dont care ill buy it in a heart beat!

I would LIVE for an Avernus location and getting to play through a proper quest for her. I would also love to save her without having to put her though Avernus at all.

However, now that the option has been brought up, I think I personally would be content with an epilogue where Karlach and whoever went with her come back to meet with their friends again - provided that they come back victorious with her healed. Let her kick the door down like SUP GUYS GUESS WHO'S RUSTY OLD HEART GOT A MAKEOVER and hug every party member or all of them at once.

I'm sure having her come back only to later return to the Hells AGAIN wouldn't make anybody happy though.

That would make alot of ppl content probably. But i still think it be a diservice to the character and the sheer amount of content just kind of sitting there for her. Id accept it yeah but id be pretty disappilointed on larian if they chose tge easy path there. Considering the changes they added for beast and fane

Yeah, no argument here. Guess time will tell how much effort they're willing to actually put in on this matter! One can hope that it's a considerable amount.

Apparently there's a new bug that causes Dammon to instantly get killed by the Strange Ox in Act 2 lol.

Bro Larian fucking hates Karlach ROFL

LOL i saw that yeah. Aswell as issues now woth trading out companions and inventory? Im sure the hotfix will tackle that stuff but still pretty funny

It's hilarious to see all these things and then there's His Majesty suddenly being a floof. The absolute outrage it has created. It's nice to see a bunch of likes among "Karlach should get a chance to live in Faerun/fix engine" posts on twitter, both on Larian's patch tweet and separate.

Y'all, you know when you're really fixating on something and it pops into your head at random? Had a thought they should name a sub-questline "A change of heart" where you either help Karlach get the engine out and cleric-regenerate a heart in, or fix the engine in the infernal forge. Sigh. Really wish we had an option.

I'm slowly getting myself closer to act 3 and I can't, just can't, wrap my head around her fate.

Strange Ox doesn't seem to trigger on Ps5. At least my game was safe.

As for Karlach's natural heart...Gale's true res scroll should give her a real one.

Yes, the game has both true res and divine intervention that don't require rolls and worry, which could work for Karlach's situation. If we got 7th level spells, or found a higher level cleric, they could cast regenerate (+true res/revivify if they had killed Karlach whilst removing the infernal engine, because yes she'd be clinically dead until a heart was placed in and reconnected). A wish spell is obviously OP and don't think Larian would go that route because if one isn't granted to the saviors of BG then I highly doubt it ever would in the boundries of this game.

It does shock me though, still, as I can't shake the fact that so many people seem to be so fine with Karlach dying because "shes basically a terminal patient and it's so beautiful that she accepted her time and made the most of it". Like omg have we played the same game? She does at first, then the longer we play and she gets revenge through Gortash, she is very much not ready to die. In her Origin ending she's not ready at all u til player choice, but even then she's heartbroken to part with the sky and sea again.

Which in turn makes the "ending she deserves" so bullshit, because she has to go back to Avernus to survive, which she ultimately wants to do (live, that is), but at what cost? Even with Tav and potentially Wyll, she'd have to fight all of Zariel's forces if that's what Zariel decided she wanted. Yes, things are different than before. She's with allies, she's not alone, she's more powerful than ever and she's ready to kick ass - but she never wanted to go back there either. It all feels so wrong. Had this been a true DnD campaign, one would listen to what the players want and make it possible, even if extremely challenging to obtain, at least it'd be an option. And that's where this story fails to deliver. It doesn't even give us a fair chance. Not even a nat 20-only check to succeed.

I don't get the sense that people are fine with her being doomed. At the very least they think the game doesn't try hard enough to fix her.

Just based on what I've seen, it seems like the Karlach story and ending is possibly the most complained-about part of this game, and by a pretty big margin.