Originally Posted by jono11
But the life she laments isn't a life in Avernus! Not respecting someone's wishes and pushing them to do what makes you feel good is bad!

Sure, but going back to Avernus was never going to be permanent. We're going there to find another way out.

And it's not just about what makes me feel good. It's more about what I believe is right for them. I can respect their agency and still hold my ground on what I believe is right at the same time.

Originally Posted by jono11
But that's a decision she gets to make. You don't get to push her into it. If Larian wants to make their new ending work, they need to create a pathway toward it in which Karlach realizes, organically, that she has found a wonderful family to support and believe in her. But even if they do that, it still feels wrong to me.

Yes, she makes the final decision. She agrees to go with us back to Avernus. I don't think anybody was holding a gun to her head when she made that decision. She has her agency, and I have mine. If I believe something is right, I will stand by that position. She can take it or leave it, and she can make up her own mind.

I don't believe in robbing people of their agency and I also don't believe in infantilizing them.

But I agree with you that as it stands, the change in mind is somewhat abrupt. It needs to be expanded upon.

Originally Posted by jono11
Karlach says, in no uncertain terms, that she will be caught and enslaved again if she turns up in Avernus. All the love and support in the world won't do her any good when that happens.

If that happens. She says that about returning to Avernus in general, not about us going with her. That changes things. Her decision to go back with us indicates to me that she has faith in us to prevent that from happening.

Last edited by Walking Kole; 28/09/23 08:05 AM.