We are not in the business here of shouting down and shutting out other opinions, even when we think they’re in the minority. All forum members deserve civility and respect, and any opinions deserve to be heard as long as they’re expressed in accordance with expected forum standards. Though again I will encourage folk to recognise when their point has been made and not to repeat themselves. And also to not keep trying to get in the last word just because others still disagree. From the perspective of a neutral observer, there’s a fair amount of both been going on in this thread, from people on all sides of the debate.

And I say again, no personal insults. Any more such poor behaviour in this thread today will earn folk a bit of time away from the forum to take a breath and calm down.

"You may call it 'nonsense' if you like, but I've heard nonsense, compared with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!"