One thing that really bugs me about her Avernus ending is that there's no option for the *whole party* to accompany her to Avernus. I can't think of a single party member who (on their more good-aligned path) would balk at going to Avernus to help out Karlach (maybe Lae'zel, given that leading the Githyanki revolution seems at least somewhat urgent).
Yet in my most recent playthrough (romanced shadowheart) the game only accounts for Tav, Wyll and Karlach returning to Avenus...even though Gale was *just* waxing poetic about how fond he is of our group, and how he wants to see what we'll do next. To say nothing of the fact that shadowheart had literally no reaction to Tav disappearing off to Avernus without her.
One thing that really bugs me about her Avernus ending is that there's no option for the *whole party* to accompany her to Avernus. I can't think of a single party member who (on their more good-aligned path) would balk at going to Avernus to help out Karlach (maybe Lae'zel, given that leading the Githyanki revolution seems at least somewhat urgent).
Yet in my most recent playthrough (romanced shadowheart) the game only accounts for Tav, Wyll and Karlach returning to Avenus...even though Gale was *just* waxing poetic about how fond he is of our group, and how he wants to see what we'll do next. To say nothing of the fact that shadowheart had literally no reaction to Tav disappearing off to Avernus without her.
Overall it just feels very sloppy.
Yeah this never made sense to me.
Like, Wyll, by his own admission, is losing his powers. So he's just gonna be some rando running through Avernus? Ok lol
i have another question which isnt necessary about discussing the endings, its more about the lore/roleplay in terms of the "return to Avernus"-ending.
a little background: im almost finished with my evil Dar Urge solo run and for my nextrun i want to play with only one companion (basicly Duo Tactician). i decided to pick Karlach and aim for the "return to Avernus"-ending (imo the currently best ending).
while thinking about which class i should pick, i came up with the question (which is the reson for this post):
"Which class would be a good choice to assist Karlach in Avernus?" i want to say, that i dont know very much about dnd lore, spontanous i would say paladin or cleric?
as a player, i hope not, since i played too many of them already
as a quick bonus question: are their any benefits/advantages for a redeemend Dark Urge (choosing the good path)?
since they were 1) a bhaalspawn and 2) not giving birth to, instead they were created by bhaals blood directly; if i understood the story correctly
a big thank you in advance for every answer
PS: in case the answers are to big or someone have th feeling, that this pot disrupts the main topic too much, send the answers as a personal message (if possible, still dont know exactly, how this forum works)
EDIT: to clarify, the questions are about the lore about avernus/bhaalspawns/ and so on. of course, ingamewise i could play any class i want.
Adding my voice to the pile. It’s sad to see that the only options we have for our best girl are so bleak. She deserves a happy ending. A ride off into the sunset.
i have another question which isnt necessary about discussing the endings, its more about the lore/roleplay in terms of the "return to Avernus"-ending.
a little background: im almost finished with my evil Dar Urge solo run and for my nextrun i want to play with only one companion (basicly Duo Tactician). i decided to pick Karlach and aim for the "return to Avernus"-ending (imo the currently best ending).
while thinking about which class i should pick, i came up with the question (which is the reson for this post):
"Which class would be a good choice to assist Karlach in Avernus?" i want to say, that i dont know very much about dnd lore, spontanous i would say paladin or cleric?
as a player, i hope not, since i played too many of them already
as a quick bonus question: are their any benefits/advantages for a redeemend Dark Urge (choosing the good path)?
since they were 1) a bhaalspawn and 2) not giving birth to, instead they were created by bhaals blood directly; if i understood the story correctly
a big thank you in advance for every answer
PS: in case the answers are to big or someone have that feeling, that this pot disrupts the main topic too much, send the answers as a personal message (if possible, still dont know exactly, how this forum works)
These are very nice questions. My Answer to question 1. Play the character you like most and enjoy the game 2. Unfortunately I didn't play as Dark Urge, so I don't know the answer.
i have another question which isnt necessary about discussing the endings, its more about the lore/roleplay in terms of the "return to Avernus"-ending.
a little background: im almost finished with my evil Dar Urge solo run and for my nextrun i want to play with only one companion (basicly Duo Tactician). i decided to pick Karlach and aim for the "return to Avernus"-ending (imo the currently best ending).
while thinking about which class i should pick, i came up with the question (which is the reson for this post):
"Which class would be a good choice to assist Karlach in Avernus?" i want to say, that i dont know very much about dnd lore, spontanous i would say paladin or cleric?
as a player, i hope not, since i played too many of them already
as a quick bonus question: are their any benefits/advantages for a redeemend Dark Urge (choosing the good path)?
since they were 1) a bhaalspawn and 2) not giving birth to, instead they were created by bhaals blood directly; if i understood the story correctly
a big thank you in advance for every answer
PS: in case the answers are to big or someone have th feeling, that this pot disrupts the main topic too much, send the answers as a personal message (if possible, still dont know exactly, how this forum works)
EDIT: to clarify, the questions are about the lore about avernus/bhaalspawns/ and so on. of course, ingamewise i could play any class i want.
"Which class would be a good choice to assist Karlach in Avernus?" i want to say, that i dont know very much about dnd lore, spontanous i would say paladin or cleric?
as a player, i hope not, since i played too many of them already
Well, my Tav was a barbarian, so they went as a very destructive duo, however gameplay-wise that only gets one so far. Logically, since Karlach is a barbarian, I think she'd really benefit from a support class. Perfect if they can heal. Playing a tank myself I can sponge only so much damage (although admittedly a lot of it) before it would be cool for someone to patch me up. Then again, if we're taking potions into account, being two tanks and very hard to kill does not sound that bad. (I pretty much carried the whole game by thinking everyone's perks into constitution and making my whole party hard to kill, so that's... a strategy for sure)
So, uh, either someone with support abilities (cleric, definitely, I'm not very familiar with paladin's abilities), or someone who's equally hard to knock down, I'd say.
(Come to think of it, druid also sounds like a fun choice. Pretty sure I remember Jaheira healing, so that's on the table, but the wildshape can also do significant damage. Gonna be tough in Avernus though, not a lot of green around.)
"Which class would be a good choice to assist Karlach in Avernus?" i want to say, that i dont know very much about dnd lore, spontanous i would say paladin or cleric?
as a player, i hope not, since i played too many of them already
I have thought about my original Paladin or Cleric suggestion earlier and decided that anything will work, as long as you have the Doom Eternal Theme music with you.
Preferably find a bard to bring along that is capable of duplicating the music as best as possible for maximum effect, for role playing reasons of course. The buffs this music provide should easily assist in clearing the first 4 or 5 layers of hell.
If it was an actual d&d campaign her issue would be side quest at best, unless dm would really push to have campaign about her (although that one wouldn't be very long)
Well, fellas, I'd say we got ourselves a song for that imaginary future tavern Now which friend of ours paid a bard to call out their crazy leader who nearly got burnt on several occasions...
I could go all "ackshually" about how a tiefling is not a devil but, eh, a bard song would definitely go for an exaggeration like that
(I dunno if that's, like, derailing the thread 'cause it's not feedback, but I thought a fun song deserves to be shared x) )
If it was an actual d&d campaign her issue would be side quest at best, unless dm would really push to have campaign about her (although that one wouldn't be very long)
Insane how true this is. It was really painful that in 5e alone there are hundreds of solutions, but the ones PRESENT IN THE GAME and not in usual 5e aren't touched or even suggested.
If it was an actual d&d campaign her issue would be side quest at best, unless dm would really push to have campaign about her (although that one wouldn't be very long)
Insane how true this is. It was really painful that in 5e alone there are hundreds of solutions, but the ones PRESENT IN THE GAME and not in usual 5e aren't touched or even suggested.
It's too blatant to never be touched upon again, i refuse to believe larian will never do something about it.
Then better prepare yourself. Maybe in few years they'll do something if they'll decide that effort will bring enough money but it's time to face the facts: they are dead serious on the avernus ending and there is no changing that. Not anymore
It's too blatant to never be touched upon again, i refuse to believe larian will never do something about it.
Oh for sure. Even from a cynical standpoint, it always benefits to give more attention to fandom's favorites. I worked in a similar industry, saw it happen every time. Make enough buzz about a character and it's very likely they'll get some extra work done. In EA Astarion was clearly the popular one, and look how much polish (granted, maybe apart from the epilogue) that earned him. Fanservice is a thing that exists.
I mean, he's still the popular one, but our girl is very close, and the buzz is substantial. Our local wet blankets over there clearly have no idea how the entertainment biz works lol
Besides, if cuts or rushed production are indeed to blame, then it's actually very likely that someone inside the studio is also frustrated with the end result (again, speaking from experience). People who don't care don't create games like this. Executives or whoever decides the deadline and direction, however, is another story entirely.
(And also even if in the end nothing gets fixed and we all end up being total clowns, well, there's no shame in staying stubborn and optimistic, fight me.)
There's never been a change that happened without a bunch of people making enough noise. Be it strikes or feedback, it all works the same. Gather, organize, talk about it.
Astarion may be the most popular but Karlach is easily the runner-up, given how much buzz there is about her on all platforms. Makes me proud and happy.
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2. Unfortunately I didn't play as Dark Urge, so I don't know the answer.
Now which friend of ours paid a bard to call out their crazy leader who nearly got burnt on several occasions...
