Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Story & Character Discussion [END SPOILS WARNING] Addressing Karlach (PLEASE PUT SPOILERS IN TAGS)

Pretty sure it feels that way to you because you're not invested in the character. I don't care for Shadowheart, and I'd not blink an eye having her die or turn into a mindflayer or, say, stay stuck in the temple of Shar fightinh justiciars forever. But I would also acknowledge that for people who like her, it'd be a huge disappointment.

I suggest you open the quest journal at the end of the game a read your companion's questlines. Just that would show you how short and underwhelming Karlach's entire journey (not only her ending options) are. People will complain about this because it is an obvious fact.

Apologies for double posting. I second this. I remembered Final Fantasy 16 that came out just before, and has a very linear set story. My favorite character there is Dion, by a mile. Karlach has none of this importance or build up that could potentially justify her ending being so bad. "Bad luck" usually doesn't work in d&d based narratives, unless you're rolling a die. In which case, we should get a dice roll too. Otherwise is just nonsensical.

That's what I've been doing and all I heard from all of you was that larian may feel we're ungrateful and actually don't do anything. So if you think one guy is enough to get attention of anyone who matters then yeah, I actually envy your faith in basically anything. But hey, at least there is a small chance someone so our big great thread, right?

Well as for now adding one fetch quest seems to be impossible, and you're talking basically reworking so huge part of the game? The game isn't in a cyberpunk state, who in their right mind would waste so many resources for such small part of playerbase? And yes we are small because nobody bothered to make some noise

You may wanna ask your circlejerk what happened last time someone proposed something more than crying into the void of forum and feedback

Larian has 100% seen it. These are their forums, and this thread is huge. It even featured in Kotaku's brief Q&A with Samantha.

Now, whether or not this thread is relevant to them at the moment, that's a different question. I suspect they got what they needed out of it, and have moved on. Same as that huge feedback thread on Discord, same as with the feedback on Reddit.

Im of the same mind just would be nice if they gave us something as a confirmation that they are going to do something. But larian being larian i doubt were going to see any announcments any time soon. So in the mean time I would recommend we still keep the threads/ reddit posts / social media going.

You haven't been doing squat apart from sitting in this thread and complaining like the rest of us.

"We should ruin Larian's reputation and let everyone know they don't listen to their playerbase because they haven't immediately dropped everything and address out plight in particular! And also because I hate other developers!" doesn't have anything in common with "Let's all collectively rally on social media for a better questline/ending for Karlach! Here's the strategy and a hashtag I propose! Maybe we could do this and that! Here's an informative post I made, give it some support and spread it around! Let's spam the hashtag with pictures/other content of Karlach to get it trending while showing our love for her!"

Haven't seen ANY of that from you, my guy.

Media campaigns for change are more than "Let's tell everyone that Larian sucks, that'll show them!" and they're not started with "Wow you guys are useless".

I've been part of fandom campaigns that saved whole cancelled shows, I've been part of fandom campaigns that stayed trending on Twitter for days, sometimes weeks, I've been a social media specialist and seen fans crash whole sites with their enthusiasm. And yes, that made change. At the very least it was seen. But it was done out of love for the subject of those campaigns, not out of spiteful "Fix your ish or we riot" energy that you are spitting. No one was ever inspired to change stuff for people with your attitude.

Consequently, this thread being featured in interviews and #JusticeForKarlach being a hashtag on twitter, even if not trending, has already done more exposure for our cause than sitting there and yelling about soulless corporations ever did.

You don't know a single thing about what I've done. Tell me, what did you expected me to do? Announce all my plans here, so people like you could nuke them? I've messaged many people and all I got in response was either silence or excuses that getting media attention could make larian sad, so don't make me laugh, you act like I was that bitter since the very begining.

Who gives a damn about forum that looks like something straight from 2008, doesn't work half of the time and gets spammed by chat bots every day? How many players that played the game even know something like that exists? How many of them bothered to open it? (Assuming they even managed to). Everything except for maybe dlc is a waste of resources and even then, they themselves said that if anything it will be long time before anything like that happens

Respectfully, if all you're gunna bring to this thread is negativity about Larian, the forums, the fanbase in this thread and life in general, please refrain from hanging here. We genuinely like supporting one another, no matter if Larian chooses to do something about the topic or not.

It's about community and until/if we actually get our points across, we have made friends through this thread and common love for this character and all we're getting from you is this kind of stuff. Also, if you're the person dming others about wanting to take to media outlets like Kotaku, Polygon and what have you in some sort of smear campaign against Larian, even more reason for you to go elsewhere.

This thread is open for everyone to discuss Karlach as character, her story and endings as well as RESPECTFUL feedback toward other players in the thread and the dev team's creation. We don't want any negativity here, we don't support your viewpoint and it has been made clear multiple times in the past pages. Thank you.

Hear, hear!

If you don't announce your plans then you lose the privilege of acting like people didn't follow you. If you're afraid to make them be known then they're obviously bad. And if whatever you were suggesting in private made people react with "That could make Larian sad" then your proposition sucked and looked nothing like what a proper fandom social media campaign should be like (not to mention that those don't start in personal messages, they start ON social media by fandom people active and likeable enough for others to follow their example, and you're clearly neither of those things). Period.

You got exactly what you had coming and no one here will kiss your feet in repentance even if change never comes. Because most of us aren't here to bash Larian, we're here because we all love the same character and have some critique and hopes about her.


Precisely! Thank you.

I think it's best not to interact with them since they're just going to keep shouting about how bad everyone else is and how they were the only ones doing anything, while really doing nothing, which continues to be established further.

Even going off like "Who gives a damn about forum that looks like something straight from 2008, doesn't work half of the time and gets spammed by chat bots every day?", which is really funny because apparently THEY give enough of a damn to keep coming back here every day. And not to add to the conversation or have a good chat, but just to shut people down.

They're not worth the energy friends.

Oh I agree wholeheartedly. It sucks that now half the thread looks like infighting instead of, you know, Karlach discussions.

But every time we try to ignore them one of us can't help but answer or someone new comes by and gets the impression that their claims have weight, so the circle begins anew.

Also call me old, but I'll take old-school forums over other stuff any day. Plus, this is the first place I came across back in the day when I googled if you can save Karlach. It's not hard to find.

Hey that's how I found the forum too! Was one of the first thing that came up when I was looking for a discussion on Karlach endings

Same, first thing I found when i was googling.
Also the only game and character I felt strongly enough to even voice my feedback.
And honestly the only compamy i feel confident enough that our feedback is valued and seriously considered!

#JusticeforKarlach

Hah, I found it looking for a place that's not the Steam forums to try to give feedback that might get listened to.
If you think things can get bad here... "Unmoderated trollscape" was how I'd describe it over there last time I was willing to look.

Yeah, I've checked Steam and Reddit forums also with this one in the beginning, but I better created an acc here than post something into the Steam forum mess. And it was a good choice I think, because the discussion here is (mostly) polite and constructive.