Originally Posted by JandK
Originally Posted by TomReneth
To be fair, Champion is pretty much useless. Especially in BG3 where we have other ways of boosting crit range.

Hard disagree.

The crit bonuses stack. Champion is very strong. The additional crit boosting items make the Champion stronger, not weaker.

It's really not. A +1 crit range isn’t a big deal when the class doesn’t get mechanics to support it. It only multiplies dmg dice, after all.

The fact that we can stack crit ranges on other characters who actually can take advantage of that just makes it worse for Champions, not better. For every +1 we can stack to crit range, the weaker Champion becomes because the relative increase get smaller. Going from 20 to 19+ for crits is a 100% increase. But from 19 to 18 is just 50%. 18 to 17 is 33,3%. Etc.

Even on Great Weapon Master builds Champion is underwhelming at best, because Larian made it so we use out bonus action for so many additional things, like jumping and shoving. So you’d only notice when you’re stuck in melee already, at which point you probably much prefer a Battlemasters maneuvers or an EKs defenses anyway.

At least the Eldritch Knight has some defensive utility to offer rather than constantly praying for a crit to get any value from their subclass. And throwing weapons builds with a fair bit of flexibility. And can provide additional out of combat utility.


Don't you just hate it when people with dumb opinions have nice avatars?