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Oh man...

So I've now beat the game twice.
First, I saved the city, romanced Astarion, he stayed as a spawn, and I got that god-awful mocking scene with him burning in the sun and everyone doing nothing about it. Then the annoying one-liners that mean nothing- roll credits.

I had heard that the Durge playthrough was interesting and that Ascended Astarion got more dialogue. So I decided to combine them and go evil to explore different choices.

Was interesting till Act 3, as per usual, but I was thinking like, "at least I'll get a different ending" and I pushed through it.

Well, I took over the brain after betraying The Emperor and I swear to gods, I thought my game glitched with how quickly it ends. I'm on my throne and *BLIP* *credits roll*

...what? That's it? Yay Bhaal's happy and...yeah?

So I was mad I got nothing from all my efforts, so I reloaded. Did the whole fight again and chose this time to kill the brain.

Well this time, I got the dock scene. I was expecting no less than what I got last time which was already kind of bad but at least I get some time to talk to my romance after? Maybe? But no...

If you didn't resist your Urge up until that point, you still get a blip of dialogue from people but then your eyes go red, there's a small thing about you saving the city, and then credits roll...again.

No romance conversation, nothing from Shadowheart or Minthara or Astarion just...nothing.

I'm lead to believe that you get SOMETHING if you resist Bhaal and I have a save I can reload to experience that but honestly? Why bother?

I've now seen 3 iterations of the ending of the game and everything is just so. Damn. Unsatisfying.

How in the world did they think endings where no one says anything meaningful, no options to talk to your companions or romance, no final goodbye or "what are your plans now?", no explanation on your affect on the city other than "you're heroes now" like...it just screams while they were writing this up that someone in the room was like "WRAP IT UP! WE NEED THIS GAME TO END!"

So sad...so disappointing.

You've had some of the best characters from a game I've seen in years. You had the potential to be the best game I've ever played. Why why why....

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Yeah, to get a more satisfying ending you have to
defy Bhaal after the Orin fight. It does not mean you have to suddenly be nice - in a dialogue choice afterwards you can say that you finally can kill for your own pleasure instead of Bhaal's. Which makes you a pretty horrible person and a good match with Ascendant Astarion. You still get the "you are the Heroes of Baldur's Gate" speech, wich is funny considering you are a villain at heart and might already plan to drench all of Faerûn in blood. But at least you can have a talk with your LI afterwards.

I agree that the pro-Bhaal ending is very unsatisfying - why do I have to take over my companions, especially my LI? There still could have been room for a talk afterwards with them, even if your are a super villain.

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Originally Posted by Veranis
Yeah, to get a more satisfying ending you have to
defy Bhaal after the Orin fight. It does not mean you have to suddenly be nice - in a dialogue choice afterwards you can say that you finally can kill for your own pleasure instead of Bhaal's. Which makes you a pretty horrible person and a good match with Ascendant Astarion. You still get the "you are the Heroes of Baldur's Gate" speech, wich is funny considering you are a villain at heart and might already plan to drench all of Faerûn in blood. But at least you can have a talk with your LI afterwards.

I agree that the pro-Bhaal ending is very unsatisfying - why do I have to take over my companions, especially my LI? There still could have been room for a talk afterwards with them, even if your are a super villain.


Exactly. I'm unsure why they thought the bad ending meant we don't care about our companions all of the sudden? Maybe it's something about how you chose the most selfish ending?
But then why include dialogue from Astarion saying "we could have it all, my love" and then enthrall him anyway?

I've definitely noticed a trend in them proposing options and then not following through. People have whole questlines that don't go anywhere.

Example: they seem to hint at the possibility of you obtaining the Crown for Gale and its literally his quest line if you don't have him blow up and you convince him to defy Mystra. I'm thinking "cool! That brings up interesting implications!"

But...no. All it does is give you an ending dialogue where Gale says he's going to fish it out of the Harbour and become a God la-dee-da. Like...k. His mission amounts to nothing like...yay.


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Originally Posted by Veranis
Yeah, to get a more satisfying ending you have to
defy Bhaal after the Orin fight. It does not mean you have to suddenly be nice - in a dialogue choice afterwards you can say that you finally can kill for your own pleasure instead of Bhaal's. Which makes you a pretty horrible person and a good match with Ascendant Astarion. You still get the "you are the Heroes of Baldur's Gate" speech, wich is funny considering you are a villain at heart and might already plan to drench all of Faerûn in blood. But at least you can have a talk with your LI afterwards.

I agree that the pro-Bhaal ending is very unsatisfying - why do I have to take over my companions, especially my LI? There still could have been room for a talk afterwards with them, even if your are a super villain.
Even the ending where you supposedly take over
the brain with the Emperor together, he will just say "In my name" and have you as thrall. There is no ending that lets you mutually rule over the brain with anyone else.

They're allegedly working on it, but it'll be a while. Depending on what they do, these things take a long time to write, animate, voice act.

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Originally Posted by Michieltjuhh
Originally Posted by Veranis
Yeah, to get a more satisfying ending you have to
defy Bhaal after the Orin fight. It does not mean you have to suddenly be nice - in a dialogue choice afterwards you can say that you finally can kill for your own pleasure instead of Bhaal's. Which makes you a pretty horrible person and a good match with Ascendant Astarion. You still get the "you are the Heroes of Baldur's Gate" speech, wich is funny considering you are a villain at heart and might already plan to drench all of Faerûn in blood. But at least you can have a talk with your LI afterwards.

I agree that the pro-Bhaal ending is very unsatisfying - why do I have to take over my companions, especially my LI? There still could have been room for a talk afterwards with them, even if your are a super villain.
Even the ending where you supposedly take over
the brain with the Emperor together, he will just say "In my name" and have you as thrall. There is no ending that lets you mutually rule over the brain with anyone else.

They're allegedly working on it, but it'll be a while. Depending on what they do, these things take a long time to write, animate, voice act.


I'm happy they're working on it (allegedly). I'm trying to be patient; I want the expanded endings to be good.

But I'm really worried they're going to make it a nothing Patch and not really work on the details that matter.

Something along the lines of "Oh, you wanted them to say more things? Lets just add a random bit about how tired they are or something" and not actually listen to what we're saying.

What we need is going to take a lot of work. I hope they know that...


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Originally Posted by vx_phoenix_vx
I've definitely noticed a trend in them proposing options and then not following through. People have whole questlines that don't go anywhere.

Example: they seem to hint at the possibility of you obtaining the Crown for Gale and its literally his quest line if you don't have him blow up and you convince him to defy Mystra. I'm thinking "cool! That brings up interesting implications!"

But...no. All it does is give you an ending dialogue where Gale says he's going to fish it out of the Harbour and become a God la-dee-da. Like...k. His mission amounts to nothing like...yay.

Yeah, that one fizzles out into nothingness.
Defying Mystra does not seem to have any consequences. Just like all the tadpoles in your brain.

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Originally Posted by Veranis
Yeah, that one fizzles out into nothingness.
Defying Mystra does not seem to have any consequences. Just like all the tadpoles in your brain.
Spoilers for origin Gale playthrough:
If you show up to her with the crown and say you're going to challenge her, you get an anime battle staredown after which she just.. deletes you and it ends there.

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Originally Posted by Michieltjuhh
Originally Posted by Veranis
Yeah, that one fizzles out into nothingness.
Defying Mystra does not seem to have any consequences. Just like all the tadpoles in your brain.
Spoilers for origin Gale playthrough:
If you show up to her with the crown and say you're going to challenge her, you get an anime battle staredown after which she just.. deletes you and it ends there.


...I can't say that sounds much better to me. I mean, I haven't done any origin character playthroughs so maybe that makes sense for Gale? I dunno, how did you feel about it?


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At least it gives more closure than the Tav ending will, as it puts light to what happens based on the decision you push him into. I think this is more or less the same for any other origin companion playthrough, though I haven't seen all of them. If you copy and paste their ending to the end of their Tav ending, you'll get a fuller picture of what happens with them. Even with that, it's all really short.

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Originally Posted by Michieltjuhh
Originally Posted by Veranis
Yeah, that one fizzles out into nothingness.
Defying Mystra does not seem to have any consequences. Just like all the tadpoles in your brain.
Spoilers for origin Gale playthrough:
If you show up to her with the crown and say you're going to challenge her, you get an anime battle staredown after which she just.. deletes you and it ends there.

Wow, ha ha. Should have seen that one coming, though. Thanks for the information.

That's why we need ending slides. To see what happens without having to go through a whole origin playthrough. I've been trying to play an Astarion playthrough, but it's really hard because of the lack of voice acting.

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I would very much like to have an option to dominate the brain with your love interest and NOT have them in thralled. I mean, they already put that option in the dialog but if you chose it you have your partner brainwashed. Larian needs to fix it so the dialog option does what it is supposed to do - rule the brain together -

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Dominating the brain with ascended Astarion for example would be such an evil power couple ending, but no.

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Originally Posted by t1mekill3r
Dominating the brain with ascended Astarion for example would be such an evil power couple ending, but no.

I'm not gonna lie, I was so hoping for something like that. Like, he's in his palace throne with me standing next to him as his dark consort and is pans out to see the brain that we took over.

But nah. He encourages you to dominate the brain just for you to be a total dick and take him over instead. Don't know why I was worried about being his spawn at all; I control him now.

*sigh* It's all so much better in my head.


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Originally Posted by Veranis
Originally Posted by Michieltjuhh
Originally Posted by Veranis
Yeah, that one fizzles out into nothingness.
Defying Mystra does not seem to have any consequences. Just like all the tadpoles in your brain.
Spoilers for origin Gale playthrough:
If you show up to her with the crown and say you're going to challenge her, you get an anime battle staredown after which she just.. deletes you and it ends there.

Wow, ha ha. Should have seen that one coming, though. Thanks for the information.

That's why we need ending slides. To see what happens without having to go through a whole origin playthrough. I've been trying to play an Astarion playthrough, but it's really hard because of the lack of voice acting.

Why would they think we would want to play Astarion without Neil's amazing performance?!

Either way, ending slides would be consolation prize for me. I don't mind them and they would round it all out, but the ending sours for me bad when I don't get a chance to talk to anyone or get their reactions. They've been robotic since I entered the Lower City though so I don't know what I was expecting.


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Originally Posted by vx_phoenix_vx
Originally Posted by t1mekill3r
Dominating the brain with ascended Astarion for example would be such an evil power couple ending, but no.

I'm not gonna lie, I was so hoping for something like that. Like, he's in his palace throne with me standing next to him as his dark consort and is pans out to see the brain that we took over.

But nah. He encourages you to dominate the brain just for you to be a total dick and take him over instead. Don't know why I was worried about being his spawn at all; I control him now.

*sigh* It's all so much better in my head.

"Redeemed" Durge and ascended Astarion are the closest we can get to world domination now, just without the brain. You can tell Astarion
I didn't raze the world in Bhaal's name, I will raze it in ours.
I really love that line.

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Personally I'd like more cutscenes and dialogue options for all the origin companions, to give those more closure. My reformed Dark Urge needs a farmville ending with Shadowheart, Scratch, the owlbear, Grub and Yenna!

Leave the slides for the NPCs we met along the way, who currently have absolutely nothing.

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Good and Bad Dark Urge have got way more issues than just the ending alone. SerTomato goes into detail in his threads:

Problems with an evil Dark Urge's story (spoilers, NSFW)

https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=891300#Post891300

Good Urge:

https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=895867&gonew=1#UNREAD

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Oye, that's not just Dark Urge issues. Act 3 in itself has issues, lacking in the form of romance content, origin companion content, glitches and Dark Urge related content. All in the favor of Jaheira content, Minsc content, and sidequests that were entertaining the first time around but leave little room for replayability.

I romanced Shadowheart in my Dark Urge playthrough and every single Dark Urge related interaction ignored the romance trigger. Worse still, half of them were clearly meant for a negative approval situation with her, where she just insulted me.

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I had a really funny chat with Shadowheart as Durge.
I got the Slayer form, went to camp to talk to everyone about it. I also still had the night orchid. So I give her the flower, she makes her joke, everything's great. Then I tell her about my new beautiful form and let's just say the tone of her response was... slightly different. Then I went to Astarion and he told me the Slayer stinks. Which, fair. It does look like it doesn't exactly smell of roses.

Some parts of Durge are well made, like the things you can find in Moonrise.
Or Gortash being a fan.
The rest, well. Let's say there's some room for improvement.

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Originally Posted by t1mekill3r
I had a really funny chat with Shadowheart as Durge.
I got the Slayer form, went to camp to talk to everyone about it. I also still had the night orchid. So I give her the flower, she makes her joke, everything's great. Then I tell her about my new beautiful form and let's just say the tone of her response was... slightly different. Then I went to Astarion and he told me the Slayer stinks. Which, fair. It does look like it doesn't exactly smell of roses.

Some parts of Durge are well made, like the things you can find in Moonrise.
Or Gortash being a fan.
The rest, well. Let's say there's some room for improvement.
I forcefully
lost the duel to Orin to see what'd happen, and after Bhaal resurrected me and said I was worthless to him, she said that even the Lord of Murder has lost faith in me and that her commiserations would be wasted on me.
That's a 100 approval romance worthy reply right there.

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