Originally Posted by fylimar
[quote=SerTomato]I do understand, that you are mad about Viconia and Sarevok, but both are still different cases from Karlach. Kalrach was always good, Viconia and Sarevok not. You could maybe compare it with Astarion, who starts pretty evil, but can become better during the game depending on how you progress his story.

Thank you fylimar, I'm not mad at this point, just a bit tired...but your idea is fantastic. I used Karlach as an example because she's popular so I thought it would be easier for people to understand, but you're right, maybe Astarion will be a better example. Now, of course Astarion is not typically "good" in BG3, but I think nobody can deny that he is complex, and charming. Same goes with Viconia and Sarevok. Astarion may choose ascension in the end, or he may not, I can accept both as his canon ending in BG4.

However imagine this, in BG4 the game tells the player that Astarion never hated Cazador, actually, he never wanted freedom, it was all a facade. The writer retcons one of his ending, saying Astarion chose to ascend because Cazador ordered him to, and he failed, what a super smart mind game. Now Astarion becomes a mini-boss the player needs to defeat before facing the real Cazador 2.0. (Actually it's really similar now I think about it.) That's what they did to old characters like Viconia and Sarevok.

Astarion's hate for Cazador is just like Karlach's kindness, it's in character foundation and has nothing to do with player's journey, same goes with some qualities of Viconia and Sarevok. It's not about characters being good or bad, it's about what kinds of persons they truly were. I hope this would be a better example.