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there actually a few that do almost the same thing but this is the one he is talking about

Thanks! Perfect gear for Lae'Zel as Fighter Mage in my next play through.

Tempest Cleric doesn't get you archery fighting style, of which a +2 to bow/crossbow attack rolls is pragmatically going to matter a lot more than everything that a 1 level dip in Tempest Cleric would provide, especially since you're probably not going to get attacked in melee often enough (or even get hit to begin with) for the damage reaction to matter. You don't want to miss your Sharpshooter shots.

It’s really funny when I read posts like this. Why is bard bad? Because you haven’t found some net deck broken build?

I can tell you that bard is literally the most powerful class in terms of both damage and everything else bar None.

I have soloed tactition as a lone wolf bard and steamrolled everyone and everything in my way.

cause bard is trash hybrid wanna be and most classes do better what he can offer

do you rly wanna tell me bard is better caster than necro wizzard or fire sorc or light cleric ?

do you rly wanna tell me bard is better support than paladin or life cleric ?

do you rly want to tell me bard is better melee than fighter, paladin or barb ?

do you rly want to tell me bard is better tank than fighter, bear barb, paladin or even light cleric ?

paladin is better support and melee dps
light cleric is better cause he is dps and support
life cleric support and tank etc etc
barb is better tank and dps in one etc

even ranger and fighter are better in ranged psysical dps than bard xD

sorc paladin and warlock can also talk with npc with high charisma lol

Dynia: Bard is clearly not for you, so maybe leave the bards posts be and stick to your overpowered party thread or however it is called. I'm on my second bard playthrough and they are amazing. They can cc, do a lot of damage and buff teammates. They are great in all speech checks and can be your Sleight of Hand character, if you don't want to have Astarion in your party all the time.
Sword bard get flourishes, which give them stuff like double attacks, mobility and more.
You are also talking mostly about melee, but how about you equip your sword bard with two hand crossbows? I do that ATM and I can tell you, that my girl does a lot of damage and even kill high level opponents in one round.
Lore bard with their cutting words can make all the difference in a battle, plus with magical Secret, the can get the best spells from all spelllists.
The point is, that bards can do all you mentioned above, which make them more versatile, than a pure caster or melee fighter or supporter. That is the point, they can be your get out of trouble card.

And the other charisma classes don't get the option to get expertise in speech skills, so yeah, they can talk with high charisma, but still a lot lower than bards.
As I said, you obviously don't really understand the class, which is ok, but don't come into the threads and try to scare new players away from playing that class, ok?

Oh yea? It’s trash huh?

Well can your Barbarian solo Iron Throne on tactician?

And not just solo it but save EVERYONE?

Cause my bard can.



Really trash class huh?

1. cc ? any caster do it better, even monk have stun :F
2. buff ? paladin, cleric or even sorc do it better
3. my sorc do speech checks always over 30 with high charisma and friends charm cantrip etc
4. anything is more supperior in melee than melee bard, i just give speed buf from boots that give sprint for bonus action for fighter and he also have superior jump lol, i give thief level 3 for my dual wield barb, astorian also get sprint for bonus action and astorian dual vielder in act 3 as superior vampire give 10 more dmg for each hand, also bear barb got 50% less dmg from any damage
my dual vield barb astorian do much better damage from hand crossbows as dual vielder and fighter level 1 lol
5. sorry to say but fire draconic sorc its best caster that can do over 300 dmg for single target from Scorching Ray xD also sorc with speed cast have best aoe spells in game and most aoe damage with spells per turn, give him haste also and bloodlust potion that make him aoe terrminator

in act 3 - blackhole to make everyone in one place from other char then give 3-4 aoe spells per turn that rekt everyone lol

in act 3 if you use lighting aoe spells and spec into lighting sorc you can kill whole stell watch in palace in one turn using black hole and lighting aoes
6. for summons necro wizard
7. bard can be everything and he is bad in everything cause pure classes do better than him that make him c tier crap xD

You list off stuff, that different classes can do, but the bard can do all of it - you list off different classes, who can do this and that better. A bard can do all of it (and btw we get friends and expertise on skill checks). As I said, you have no idea, how to play a bard, so please, don't give advice on this class, ok?
I just saw your other thread and how people easily dispelled your numbers. I suggest you learn the classes again, before giving any advice. Because even I as a non min/maxer saw the faults there.

you cant pick all 3 subclass as bard as well, so no, you cant do bard caster and melee in 1 char xD xD xD, so other classes are better than bard in one specific build archtype

show me bard who can aoe all stell watch in act 3 in one turn or kill elder brain in one turn as melee or can burst so fast as paladin with smite or do so ridiculas single damage as fire sorc

bard cant also cast haste on 2 characters or stone skin on 2 characters or even resistance shield on 2 chars,

bard dont have op shit like dual cast speed cast or paladin smites for ridiculas burst, even light cleric do better magic damage than bard and can also do some support and heal

Oh, but they can melee, ranged and spellcast - it's called sword bard.
And you are picking situational stuff - if you talk about twin haste then it's a sorcerer, a sorcerer can't attack twice with double crossbow, is not good in meele - and guess what, a sorcerer can't smite either. A paladin can't buff enemies, apart one or two smaller buffs, or put them completely out of the fight with Ottos irresistible Dance or Hypnotic Pattern. A light cleric might have fireball as a good AoE, but guess what? Magical Secret can give any bard subclass fireball. All bards can crowd control, have decent attacks, granted, lore should stay more in ranged, but are beasts with double crossbow, all bards can heal and buff, all bards have de facto a third short rest, all bards .

People trying to explain to you, how a bardworks, but you don't get it. No, the bard is not the best in anything (but speech checks), but they can do anything. They are the most versatile class in DnD. While the other classes can do mostly one or two things good, a bard can do a lot of things. They are even proficient in any skill with Jack of all Trade - they get bonusses of all skills, they are not proficient with. Only githyanki can become as close as that in terms of skill monkey and they have to decide every day, in which skill set they want to become proficient, while bards just are. A performing bard is the best distraction, if you want to send your rogue stealing, without the crowd noticing.

And in terms of being powerful - maybe watch the video, victor linked above, you conveniently ignored that.

sorc can hit 2x with crossbows but what the point if his spells is way more supperior ?

i use hand crossbow as my bonus action as sorc if i have bonus action left and it hit sometimes for 20 dmg for free

sorc can do melee with lighting hand and do more damage than bard with weapon lol, there is also gloves that make you spells melee and dont get disadvange in melee range xD so even sorc is better in melee than bard xD

i guess none class can buff enemies in this game

you can cc and ? you wasting time if my class can use this time to do ridiculas damage and just kill enemies insted lol, dead enemies is better than enemies that live even cced

you waste action to cc while i use action do burst everything, good build dont need cc while half your cc will miss and you lost even more time

better use action to buff ally with 100% acc, to heal ally with 100% acc or attack with 95% acc and kill everything before they even act and even they act my party have blade ward, bless and is even more tanky if i have bear barb

im telling you that everything is just better what bard do

I meant buff companions and you know exactly, what I meant. Your numbers are totally bs, but you already know that, because people in the other thread told you already, that your stuff doesn't match. Plus I like to see the sorcerer, that kills all enemies in very crowded fights in one go. CC in this game is important, but you want to be right with your faulty descriptions and over the top exaggerations. CC is the bread and butter in any rpg game, since, no, you can't nuke everything in one go in every fight.
You know, that everyone can wear those melee spell gloves, right? Or are you so dellusional, that you think, only you oh so overpowered sorc can wear them? And your sorc can only wield hand crossbows, if you have a race, that allows that, which would only be drow. Bard get that as a weapon feat.

And I'm out of here, you already showed time and time again, that you can't play bards, take your fireball sorcerer and go back to your overpowered party thread, where people tell you exactly the same, as we do here

i tell it once again, cleric with one BONUS action give bless and blade ward for 2 turns on whole team from items in act 1 that you get basicly on begin in game

sorc can kill very easy with aoe or ray, sorc also kill enemies giving dual haste on my warrior/paladin or barb deponts on setup, that give shitload dmg already, on level 11 fighter hits 6 times with haste so count, you dont even need potions to have haste all time and its for 10 turns, if i need more aoe i use haste on sorc and fighter, before 11 its 4 hits, 4x 25 on average on level 5 so figure xD there is no problem with accuary cause of bless even on low level

i dont use single CC in this game and i passed this game 3 times already and 2 times on hard, CC is crap, it missed all the time on my 1st play thou on normal mode so fuck this crap, waste of time and have too low acc, like i said again its better to kill or heal insted using useless CC, i use hand crossbows without mastery to it and still have like 80-95 acc with them cause i have always bless from cleric, i use crossbow to use ray level 3 and magic missles level 3 from it as weapon skill, you can still use weapon in this game without mastery to it

i kill faster then even need useless CC and even i get some damage my life cleric heal whole party in 100% hp basicly from action that use divine power and mass heal bonus action level 3 and this give bonus blade ward and bless also and poision to my warrior from amulet xD

ofc every one can use this gloves and ? what that change that sorc is more supperior caster than bard ? or fighter/barb or paladin better in melee ? xD

You really, really don't get it. Yeah, the sorc is good in one thing and the barb is good in another thing and the bard can a bit of everything. And very good in gameplay as countless happy bard player show. You are still ignoring the posted video above, but nevermind, I guess, the class is too complex and subtle for you.

Btw: Hypnotic Pattern and Ottos irresistible Dance nearly always hits... just saying.

and you dont get my point too, bard is hybrid and its bad in everything
nope this class is no too complex, i prefer get classes that doing better job than bard and that what im trying to tell you whole time

if you want complex thing start to use multiclass cause we talk now only about pure classes

i play games like stellaris so dont tell shits like something is too complex to me

if i say something is better and giving you arguments that you dont want to accept cause i have analytics brain its not my problem

light cleric is better solo class, move along

You know what - you move along. We explained it to you time and again and you don't get it at all. This is a thread for bard build and you come in here and piss all over it with wrong statements, wrong numbers, blatant lies (yeah, I'veread your otehr trhead, I know what you did and what not) and basically push everyone away, that is interested to play a bard. You don't like bard? Fine, then go and make a light cleric, super barbarian, power ranger paladin thread. But stop spamming the bard threads with your false arguments, so that people, who actually want to play a bard, can get tips here.
And I really don't care, what games you play, we are talking about DnD 5e here, not some other stuff with a totally different system.
What you are doing is rude, so go away or be constructive.

Holy crap, it's like talking to a toddler.

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Yea , no. This video has Nothing to do with the priest class, she used tons of items like potions and scrolls that have nothing to do with the class

Plus she couldn’t save Hope like this.

I managed to both save Hope and kill Raphael and his army in 3 turns as bard without any items .

And Iron Throne is WAY harder to pull anyways

Here , I slaughtered Raphael single handidly just for you, didn’t need any scrub tactics like scrolls, potions or other crap, just went there and slaughtered him and his army like cockroaches



Bard is the Alpha class of this game period