Originally Posted by Auric
Speaking of misinterpreting, I personally didn't see anyone imply Shadowheart is okay with Tav cheating with Mizora because she is very clearly scolding you for it. She's being very forgiving of it, but certainly did not appreciate it being done behind her back. That's not being okay with it. But the scene does then serve to develop her character further based on the choice of having done it while in a Shadowheart romance. Whether a player accepts that development is again entirely personal to the individual who makes the choice leading to it and the people who most want these interactions to be gone were never going to make those choices to begin with anyway (unless they're lying on the internet), so their Shadowhearts remain entirely unaffected by them regardless, meaning there's not much of a compelling reason to damage the experience for the players that do make those choices.
I'm the person who considered her being okay with it. I continue being that person. The only thing she doesn't seem okay with is you not asking prior. And I think her implication that she isn't surprised that you would cheat 'because she didn't bed a swan' comes completely out of left field. She abandoned Shar for you and devotes herself entirely to you at that point. It just doesn't make sense she isn't surprised you'd not return that devotion. Especially considering that when you break up with her, her reaction is a lot more emotionally charged than that of at least Wyll and Karlach. Because of that, I was expecting a similarly emotionally charged reply to her finding out you cheated, instead of the beyond-forgiving nature of the reply you get right now, where you can basically say you'll do it again, and she simply says "just don't forget about my needs yeah?".

No, I do not actually plan on going through that dialogue ever again (well, I will, F5 -> F8 when romancing other companions to see their replies, I know most of those do stay in character). I don't roleplay those type of characters, but I just dislike inconsistent writing regardless. If I were to give her over to Viconia just to see what her reply would be, I would be annoyed if she said "Haha, this was my master plan all along together with Viconia!" and then fights you with her. No, I will not choose this dialogue option canonically in my playthrough, but the lingering idea that this is what could have happened is still there.

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Very late edit, but I have a better example of what I mean. Lets say you break up with her and instead of the emotionally charged reply you get now, she'll say "I was kind of planning on doing that anyway". We know she doesn't ever do this. But the IDEA that she was supposedly planning on doing so would still be there. That will kill immersion, because it's completely out of character. I see the Mizora chat as a less severe version of this.

That doesn't mean I'm not okay with "bad outcomes" or anything like that. It's not like I don't know what happens if you let her kill the Nightsong, for example. But that doesn't give a similar bad lingering feeling, because it's a perfectly logical outcome. It's completely in character for her to halt the romance at that point.

Either way, it's not even remotely as bad as the Halsin situation, and if they don't change that or the drows (foursome version) at all, but do change Halsin's scenario, I would be more than content regardless. But it is in my fields of expertise to point out all the potential problems, with the hope that at least one gets acknowledged.

Last edited by Michieltjuhh; 16/10/23 01:16 PM.