Originally Posted by KillerRabbit
Very well but I hope you understand that I see you doing the same thing. Right? I understand that you believe that I am seeing things / making this up / fooling myself by believing that the this conversation - ostensibly about wine - is actually a conversation about the bounds of a potential relationship. I understand that you believe my position lacks evidence. Is that right?
The conversation isn't even about wine. That's the problem. Whatever you're reading into it is not actually there. Here's the facts of the conversation.
1. Wine is being shared, as is a norm during a party.
2. She asks to share a bottle with you, alone, after the party.
3. When you ask if she doesn't want to share it with the rest during the party, she says "not tonight" because she wants to share it with you alone.
4. There is some (optional) dialogue where you can ask "Just a bottle?". This is you implying that you want more than just wine. She rejects it by saying it's a fine wine that she pilfered, thus she doesn't want more. She just wants a first date.
5. You don't do more than that during the night. You share the bottle, talk like people would during a first date.
6. She'll once again shut down an (optional) attempt at getting more done and you share a romantic first date kiss at the end of it.
7. You start your relationship officially after that night.

That's not a conversation about wine. Whatsoever. The wine is irrelevant. The conversation is about having a first date together, and such first date is done in private. Then you have the first date. Wine hardly even gets mentioned if you don't act like a horny teenager that keeps pushing her for sex.

Originally Posted by KillerRabbit
Do you understand that I believe you are doing something similar? Denying subtext, making a molehill out one conversation and that you position could only be maintained if you removed large portions of chapter 3, removed the sharing line from chapter 1 and rewrote the dialogues after the temple of shar?
Read the above and understand that I am not denying subtext. You have never even explained why she would be "threatened" by the 5 origin companions but not Halsin. It's been asked to you multiple times, but you ignored it every time and instead of saying why you think so, all you've done is repeat that you think so. What you call "large portions of chapter 3" are also incredibly short dialogues, accumulate to a very tiny part of her romance, that are all optional, and have no impact on the outcome of anything during her main unavoidable romance story.

I do not know what dialogue after the Temple of Shar you are referring to. If you mean the incredibly short dialogues I referred to above, then read above.

Originally Posted by KillerRabbit
To be clear I'm not asking if you agree. BELIEVE ME I know you do not. But I am wondering if you've actually engaged with what I've said in any meaningful manner.
I am, otherwise I wouldn't be writing entire paragraphs about it. I question if this is mutual, however. After all, you've already insulted me by saying I supposedly think mono is baseline while I have stated I think nothing in a game is baseline; by saying that I supposedly hate poly people while I have stated that all I want is the inconsistency removed, even if they double down on the decision to give her a storyline that involves it; and you refuse to answer certain questions.

Last edited by Michieltjuhh; 17/10/23 01:54 AM.