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Here we get into the problem of definitions. Relationships are complex in your view people can be monogamous but have foursomes with sex workers - I would call that 'monogamish' which is a type of ENM.
Also seems to be Netav's view. I prefer to think of SH as someone who wants a nesting partner because he has a strong desire for home and hearth. And some fun at the local druid grove if Tav is okay with it. I think the FR equivalent of Saturnalia is mid-winter fest and something tell me SH will want to attend. What I meant is, that the drow twins are a one time deal, you aren't joining a relationship with them, so it doesn't count as polyamory. Halsin is the only character that SH and Tav can have a poly/open relationship with. Why is that? SH doesn't even like him in act 2 and never expresses any interest in him prior, so it feels so shoehorned in. It doesn't look like very good poly representation tbh.
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(SH doesn't even like him in act 2 and never expresses any interest in him prior, so it feels so shoehorned in.)
Man yu just said what iv been thinking the entire time whaching this post..
in my game the Only time i actually did his quest and bring him along in the party the only banters i get with then both were like she and Laezel
she even Mock hin in the middle of the shadowcurse when he talks about animals she mock hin teling him that she can make some birds noises man that make me laught so hard..hauhauh
and i dont know maybe it was becouse i never treat him well in my game so he never liked me to propose nothing.. and i was already super high aproval with her
but what yu said is what i felt she actually dosent like him in act 2
then in act 3 she sudenly want a 5 some with the dude she even mock weird..
and they actually get some heavy arguing in Shar gountlet when she starts speak her Stuff he really get pissed off and even say yu dont know what yure are talking about children or something like that.
Felt like she and Laezel at the start of the Game..
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I know he was so annoying in the gauntlet of Shar, in my first playthrough. Like my Tav ain't a big fan of Shar either but Halsin shouldnt belittle SH like that. I was ready to off him right then and there. Don't speak to my lover like that weird bear freak lol She hated him.
And then she does a complete 180 in act 3? Which is like 3 days later lol I don't buy it, not one bit. It's never shown if they bury the hatchet so it feels completely forced.
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Indeed.. i felt the Same Thing..
theres something weird as F in all of this..
there another things that i think is weird for the character too like the 4 some..
for the entire game she dosent even want to share a Bottle of wine in the party with the rest becouse whant yu just for her..then she is ok with a 4 some..
in my game when i get there i always never had the romance scene with her so the Reaction is different and i Liked a LOOOOOOOT more..
she said straight in your face that she want yu only at least for the first time..
so she dosent want to have the 4 some but she will acept if yu want later..
but i never get back to drakos pass so in my game i never had to deal with these weird stuff.. i actually found all weird interactions Online
BTW sorry for my Poor english thats not my first language so im trying my best..Rs
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You might interested to read the account of monogamish woman who hires sex workers. The idea that marriage about safety and security and once you have those basic needs met you can get other needs met. That's why the 'no to sharing' at the party and no to twins 'until we've been together' makes sense. SH needs to feel secure in the relationship, to feel like she is first in Tav's heart and *then* involving others sounds fun https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...-marriage-what-if-its-not-cheating-cheat
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You're viewing it the way most of us here have as well. The 4 some and orgy, feel very out of place, for SH as a character. Like it completely felt like it came out of nowhere.
It's okay, you're doing pretty well for someone who's English isn't their first language. I'm able to understand you quite well.
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You might interested to read the account of monogamish woman who hires sex workers. The idea that marriage about safety and security and once you have those basic needs met you can get other needs met. That's why the 'no to sharing' at the party and no to twins 'until we've been together' makes sense. SH needs to feel secure in the relationship, to feel like she is first in Tav's heart and *then* involving others sounds fun https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...-marriage-what-if-its-not-cheating-cheatApparently she's willing to let you sleep with Halsin before you've slept with her though. So I'm not sure you're argument holds up when he's involved. She'll refuse the twins saying she wants you first but has no issues with letting Halsin have you first. It's weird.
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Maybe yu are right and im wrong.. but i still think that this is weird..
dosent really make sense for her character but ok..
felt shoehorn like Backinstyle said..
i always get the feeling that she Hate halsin in my games the she want a 5 some
with the dude that she mocked and had almost a fight inside the char gountlet.. weird
but its ok.. in my game he never get to act 3 so i never have to deal with this kinda stuff..
my game runs as i wanted and i love it..huahauha
he probably dead in the shadowcurse in my Timeline.. actually in all of then he died..
sorry halsin i dont have any love for yu.. he only have hate from me.. huahauhauha
and the only time i saved Orin get him.. and i only saved him for last..RS
sorry halsin i really dont care if orin kill yu
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You might interested to read the account of monogamish woman who hires sex workers. The idea that marriage about safety and security and once you have those basic needs met you can get other needs met. That's why the 'no to sharing' at the party and no to twins 'until we've been together' makes sense. SH needs to feel secure in the relationship, to feel like she is first in Tav's heart and *then* involving others sounds fun https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...-marriage-what-if-its-not-cheating-cheatDrows is the different scenario though, because party doesn't end in sex or anything. Drows are just sex workers and she does it with Tav obviously. She is just kinky and ok with some casual sex and ok if Tav wants some, just a reminder that she doesn't ask or do herself, she is fine with only Tav, she joins drows if asked. Thats why I consider her in "open monogamy" with Tav. And yes she basically proposes marriage at her lower city confession. If they fix Halsin interactions - everything would fit.
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You might interested to read the account of monogamish woman who hires sex workers. The idea that marriage about safety and security and once you have those basic needs met you can get other needs met. That's why the 'no to sharing' at the party and no to twins 'until we've been together' makes sense. SH needs to feel secure in the relationship, to feel like she is first in Tav's heart and *then* involving others sounds fun https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...-marriage-what-if-its-not-cheating-cheatDrows is the different scenario though, because party doesn't end in sex or anything. Drows are just sex workers and she does it with Tav obviously. She is just kinky and ok with some casual sex and ok if Tav wants some, just a reminder that she doesn't ask or do herself, she is fine with only Tav, she joins drows if asked. Thats why I consider her in "open monogamy" with Tav. And yes she basically proposes marriage at her lower city confession. If they fix Halsin interactions - everything would fit. It's like you have her romance with Tav and only Tav throughout the whole game, then there's this weird fetish fan fiction section tacked into it. If they wanted her to be polyamorous they should have made it clear from the beginning. And they should have added options for lesbians and straight men. Not this half assed attempt at polyamory that has left a lot of SH and Halsin fans disappointed, confused, and even disgusted at times. It's treated as a gimmick. Larian treats polyamory like garbage in this game, and I dont think we should be defending it here. It's not just a few lines with Halsin. It's the fact that they treat both SH and Halsin as sex dolls/porn stars as soon as polyamory/casual sex gets involved. Is that how they view polyamory or ppl who engage in it? Is this how ppl who play this game will view polyamory? They could have treated it like an adult would, but instead it just looks childish and like they didn't even give a shit.
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I agree, Halsin thing needs to be resolved. I don't think they will make her full mono though, requires too much rewriting. I don't think this is a bad thing that she is "open monogamous". She is very clear what she wants and needs and in the end you still will get your happy farm ending with kids etc. Remember that she is happy with your Tav and never asks or does anything on her own(poly related).
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I agree, Halsin thing needs to be resolved. I don't think they will make her full mono though, requires too much rewriting. I don't think this is a bad thing that she is "open monogamous". She is very clear what she wants and needs and in the end you still will get your happy farm ending with kids etc. Remember that she is happy with your Tav and never asks or does anything on her own(poly related). Well I completely disagree and I am not okay with your "open monogamy" take. Without a way to get her to explicitly state that she would only ever want your character if that is what you desire then the door is always open to cheating or her trying to open the relationship herself with the current way she is written.
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The bare minimum Larian needs to do is remove the flirting banter between SH and Halsin, remove SH and Halsin disapproval ratings if you deny an orgy, then remove the "I've always had fantasies of Halsin" dialogue completely from the game, period. If I had my way, the poly stuff wouldn't be in the game to begin with (because look how messy this is, there are even poly people complaining about this), like if you cheat, the romance is over for you. But I have no idea how much of the people who bought this game are into that kind of thing.
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I agree, Halsin thing needs to be resolved. I don't think they will make her full mono though, requires too much rewriting. I don't think this is a bad thing that she is "open monogamous". She is very clear what she wants and needs and in the end you still will get your happy farm ending with kids etc. Remember that she is happy with your Tav and never asks or does anything on her own(poly related). She is written as being mono for most of the game though, which you have said you agreed with before. They can't write a character as both monogamous and polyamorous, because they completely contradict one another, with two vastly different relationship views. A character can't be both at the same time and be expected to make sense. So that's why they should have went all in on one direction, not this laughable attempt to appease both sides. It just doesn't work. Shadowheart is broken. The only "fix" is to retcon her into being completely one or the other. But if they do that, either way some fans are going to be pissed. They have created such a mess and I don't there's any actual fix where everyone comes out happy. Ppl wouldn't even consider it a fix anyway probably.
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I agree, Halsin thing needs to be resolved. I don't think they will make her full mono though, requires too much rewriting. I don't think this is a bad thing that she is "open monogamous". She is very clear what she wants and needs and in the end you still will get your happy farm ending with kids etc. Remember that she is happy with your Tav and never asks or does anything on her own(poly related). Well I completely disagree and I am not okay with your "open monogamy" take. Without a way to get her to explicitly state that she would only ever want your character if that is what you desire then the door is always open to cheating or her trying to open the relationship herself with the current way she is written. But she never suggest herself and happy with Tav, no ? It's Tav who tehcnically can do it. Bold of you to think that she would cheat(I get where this all coming from, her problematic SH/Halsin banter). She never asks "hey lemme fuck Halsin/Karlach"(or something like that). Thats why I think that would be cool to have a dialogue to state your boundaries and what you want from relationship(tell her that you are exclusive couple as example, I don't think she would have anything against it).
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I just wanna pop in here and apologise on behalf of Halsin. Hes a good man deep inside I swear.
SH doesnt deserve this.
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She is written as being mono for most of the game though, which you have said you agreed with before. They can't write a character as both monogamous and polyamorous, because they completely contradict one another, with two vastly different relationship views. A character can't be both at the same time and be expected to make sense.
So that's why they should have went all in on one direction, not this laughable attempt to appease both sides. It just doesn't work. Shadowheart is broken. Yes and thats why I stated 2 my views on this situation and I like the one where it is wrong and is out of character. Yes she is mono and wants your Tav alone in act 1-2 and does 180 for some reason in act 3(reason is to let Halsin be horndog).
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Well that was an interesting read lol. The absolute state of this thread. ![[Linked Image from media.tenor.com]](https://media.tenor.com/_6WJAbA6J4sAAAAd/willem-dafoe-laugh.gif) At the request of a friend (that is probably laughing her ass of right now) I'm going to pop in this thread for a quick post. I'm going to ignore the absurdity and the subtle comparison between the LGBT (a sexuality) and Polyamory (a sexual practice) and just going to throw in a few question about the biased research that you have linked. (Seeing how you have a tendency to link biased research/articles when it comes to polyamory.) Frontiers publishing you say? (not the most reputable place that isn't looked too kindly by many, seeing how they are for-profit despite claiming otherwise.) Research done by the Kinsley Institute you say? (Institute with a clear bias.) Alfred Kinsley you say? Children from birth have orgasm, pedophilia and incest sex benefits children - that Alfred Kinsey? Maybe I should write more about his followers or what this individual has said and done. ----- https://tirumalaikamala.wordpress.c...-a-non-profit-or-a-for-profit-publisher/"Unquestionably, Frontiers is for-profit." https://predatoryreports.org/news/f/is-frontiers-media-a-predatory-publisher"The whole system is designed to publish as many papers as possible", says Matthias Barton of the University of Zürich in Switzerland "Frontiers has used an in-house journals management software that does not give reviewers the option to recommend the rejection of manuscripts" and the "system is setup to make it almost impossible to reject papers" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontiers_MediaIn May 2015, Frontiers Media removed the entire editorial boards of Frontiers in Medicine and Frontiers in Cardiovascular Medicine after editors complained that Frontiers Media staff were "interfering with editorial decisions and violating core principles of medical publishing". In total 31 editors were removed. Following this incident, Nature Publishing Group ended its collaboration with Frontiers with the intent "never to mention again that Nature Publishing Group has some kind of involvement in Frontiers." A demand by Frontiers Media to open a research misconduct case against Beall, to which the University of Colorado acquiesced, is reported as the immediate reason for Beall to take down the list. The university's investigation was closed with no findings. In an interview in 2018, Beall stated that "my university began to attack me in several ways. They launched a research misconduct investigation against me (after seven months, the result of the investigation was that no misconduct had occurred). They also put an unqualified, mendacious supervisor over me, and he constantly attacked and harassed me. I decided I could no longer safely publish the list with my university threatening me in these ways." www.reddit.com/r/AskAcademia/comments/179bnvv/how_are_frontiers_journals_viewed_in_the_academic(you'll find that people are split on them, bad but not as bad as MDPI) The CEO of Frontiers personally threatened a library faculty, Jeffrey Beall, for identifying Frontiers journals as predatory. Filed complaints with his university trying to get him fired. This ended Beall's List, which was widely used by libraries to identify predatory publishers. As for Kinsley and those that venerate him, well you can read that on your own. (Before someone decides to bring up the good of sex research stop ignoring the horrific parts of it) ----- Either way, outside of bpudd1ng, Ravenna and Rahaya it seems that the majority of this threads participants (some even becoming a bit too emotional) haven't notices the manipulation tactics and a disingenuous stance Rabbit and another poster have taken in discussing this topic. From outright ignoring arguments, being selective and leaving out details to asserting their own headcanon as a fact behind the veil of 'my interoperation' while accusing others of doing the same, they have it all. But I will ask this one thing of you, if you would indulge me. Could you write/show me every part of Shadowheart/Shadowhearts story that implies that she is poly? I'm genuinely curious. (fyi despite my dislike for polyamory as a practice, I don't care if someone has decided to dip their toes or entirely submerge themselves in it and to be honest I stopped caring about SH but I see too many people here talking about what they want and not what is in the game or whether is it done properly/shoved in at the last second/contradictory to the established.)
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Okay, these forums are - or should be - a friendly place for all fans of the game, whether poly or not, and that’s not up for debate. I do not see that getting into discussions of research into real life attitudes is relevant or likely to end well. Let’s stick to discussing the game.
And negative comments about polyamory in real life are totally unacceptable here. No one should have to come to a gaming forum and face derogatory comments about their sex life.
I’m going to ask that, if there are any more such comments in this thread, then please use the report post functionality and the culprit will be taking a break from these forums, and if this thread continues to attract people making judgemental comments about others’ sexual activity it may even get locked.
If you don’t want that to happen, please express your views in a way that respects that this topic has implications for very personal aspects of people’s real lives.
And while it feels like banging my head against a brick wall at this point, please respect others’ rights to their own interpretations and opinions and recognise when it’s time to agree to disagree rather than going round and round in circles and saying the same things again and again.
"You may call it 'nonsense' if you like, but I've heard nonsense, compared with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!"
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I don't see any indications of her being poly pre act 3. Halsin in act 3 and kinda Mizora cheat only(rest of act 3 has no indications obviously).
If you were accusing my headcanon, thats it.
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