Originally Posted by Nicottia
Also, hard agree with one but. I think Daisy could've worked narratively if there were more paths to her persona written. In a perfect world Larian would've toned the seductiveness of Daisy down, given her more nuance and made her less obviously evil from the get go. Iirc she went full evil after 2nd or 3rd dream, right? Make it a slow burn, the more you use the tadpole, the more power over you she exerts (and make it so the game's ending IS affected by these small choices along the way too, not the consequence free tadpole bullshit we have right now).

So make the 1st dream mandatory regardless of tadpole use, and then have multiple diverging paths - where she has to use different tactics to try to seduce you, so people who go on full 'reject the tadpole' still get dreams, but dreams that are unique to that specific path. Kind of like the original BG1 - where your Bhaaspawn dreams were tied to your alignment AND reputation. So good, neural and evil characters had different dreams and received different powers.

Look, originally I was one of those people who weren't really engaging with the tadpole and Daisy (but did have a few runs where I did just to see it in action) and I have been advocating for Larian to make different dream paths depending on your tadpole use since day 1 of EA... instead we got Emperor. Sigh.

I agree with most of what Moongerm and Nicotta have said - I especially like Nicotta's suggestion. Yes! Good players should have gotten different powers. This is a big departure from BG3 - good players got healing spells, evil players got combat spells.

The only point that I disagree with is that Daisy was flawed because she was so obviously evil.

A question for both Moongerm and Nicotta - what did you think of Raphael and Mizorra? Did you not see them as obviously evil? Did that make them worse vilians?

I think there are problems with the Mizorra's ultimatum scene - notably there's no option three: "we'll just leave the existing contract in place without modifications and see you in 6 months" BUT I saw that as a successful seduction. I felt caught - do I encourage Wyll to sell his soul and save his dad or not?

Likewise I was never going to be convinced by Raphael but I felt some loyalty to Lae'zel by chapter 3 and she really wanted me to make the deal so I felt like saying yes to keep her happy.

So I was never going to give into the seductions of the dream lover inside the dream but I might feel tempted to AUTHORITY my way through a conversation knowing that this what Daisy wants me to do . . .