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Fixing the game does not equal adding new content lol. Once there is little to no bugs they have no reason to waste more of their resources on a game thats already massive success, the obvious move is to move on to the new project just like Sven already did And just like Sven already said, they are not done with BG3 yet, but keep trying to spread your doomer aura in here if you try so hard to the edgy cringelord. Just like Larian did with DoS 2 (which was also pretty successful, not as enormous as BG3, but for Larian standards it was huge back then) and even then they released an Definitve Edition with changed things and added stuff. Your entire mindset is kinda goofy nontheless. By that logic you'd also say they shouldnt release DLC's, because the basegame is successful enough, so why would they want like 30% (probs more, but in case you wanna be a goofy again and be like " yea no way so many people would buy an dlc" ) of the 5+ million copies sold in DLC sales as well, am I right? Larian doesnt mind wasting millions of dollars there as well. But I can see that the sole reason for your account is to troll - so now I will just bid you farewell and block you
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Wether its DLC or a DE with extra content or both? and gods willing- a real karlach fix to her story, theres no way that larian wouldnt make s profit on it.
Right now they are adding in easy fixes and easy player feedback requests in patches and hotfixes, Epilogues will also be included before DE thats for sure. But we can see their going down the list of most requested. And karlach ending AND content is high on the list. That being said we cant take larians silence on the issue as a solid *they are ignoring us* as their whole shtik is not releasing rosdmaps or announcing plans early as to not pigeonhold themselves.
Keep the convo goimg keep up the social media requests abd comments. But honestly dont expect an announcment any sooner then like spring of 2024 IF anythings happening
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Folks, we need you to respect moderator guidance in thread. You are welcome to PM us or even report a moderator post if you disagree or have questions, but arguing or insulting moderators in thread is a quick way to get suspended and a terrible way to argue for an outcome you want.
And if you believe a thread is being derailed by specific individuals, please report their posts so we can take a look and potentially deal with them before a thread devolves.
"You may call it 'nonsense' if you like, but I've heard nonsense, compared with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!"
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I dont think Larian is done with it. I would be surprised if they will not do a dlc or an expansion. Ten cent own 30% of the company and they are famus for backstabbing and forcing the develoers to do micro transactions and dlc-s.
And if they are not applying usly they make a copy of the game. The funny thing is that they are usly making more profit from the copy.
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Nobody will lock anything... Time to time is here a smaller beef, few posts and it is over, nothing more. I don't see almost any curse words, no highly offensive behavior. Of course there are exceptions, but in overal this is an oasis of calm  . And even if there were any insults, you delete the insulting posts and maybe put a warning to this person. You don't lock an entire ongoing thread. Anyway. Lets all focus back on Karlach This, please. Oh no, the biggest thread being locked because of one guy... Let's chilli out, that never happened in Larian's community before, right?
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First of all: nobody actually insulted the guy, unless you wanna count in " goofy opinions" etc as insults, if so, then this forum is doomed ngl.
Second, before you wanna tell us how to act in here, why not take that moderator to the chest and tell him to stop steering sh*t in here, he is literally ONLY arguing against any idea of karlach getting a good ending, threatens to close a thread over non-existing insults. (btw he also spreads misinformations about the game, so its either he didnt even play it or just didnt pay attention to the story)
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Folks, please do not derail this thread by further discussion about moderator intervention. I’d recommend getting back on topic, while bearing in mind what Zentu actually asked, which was for folk to calm down and avoid insults and provoking arguments.
EDIT: And I’ve just seen the post from Drakaah, which was published while I was typing the above. They will now be taking a break, as will anyone else who continues to argue with moderators in thread, and especially if they also make unfounded and heated accusations of bad faith about members of our moderation team. And I would strongly suggest that anyone who doesn’t want this thread locked should get back on topic immediately. It’s doing it absolutely no favours to respond in this fashion to Zentu’s request to be civil, avoid insults and not to provoke arguments. If folk had merely done as asked, the thread would now be in no danger of being locked. But continuing to argue about moderation here will quickly increase the likelihood of that outcome.
I would also remind everyone that we moderators are fans of the game and entitled to have and express our views on it here, like any other forum member. That is entirely separate from our role as moderators.
Last edited by The Red Queen; 20/10/23 06:41 PM.
"You may call it 'nonsense' if you like, but I've heard nonsense, compared with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!"
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Fixing the game does not equal adding new content lol. Once there is little to no bugs they have no reason to waste more of their resources on a game thats already massive success, the obvious move is to move on to the new project just like Sven already did No studio operates like this. Imagine if CDPR just took their Witcher money and didn't release any DLCs or Capcom didn't release expansions for Monster Hunter. When you have something good going, you keep it going. Swen himself said they weren't done with BG3. He wasn't talking about bug fixes. You didn't answer a single one of my questions. Why bring back VAs for epilogues that no one apparently needs? They just need to fix the Minthara bugs, so why bring the VA back for any new lines? Why would Swen say they'll consider DLCs? He could've just said no. The reality is that Larian isn't done with BG3, and they'll almost certainly release a definitive edition. That entails a bunch of new content to sell to a new player base.
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These forums are a clown show lol
lmao
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@the red queen
hi, dont want to disturb for long, but i have one question: how exactly can i report a moderator? because i think i saw some cases od mod abuse.
thank you very much for your asnwer
oh by the way, karlach is my favourite companion and i think she does deserve a good ending.
Last edited by Blook88; 20/10/23 06:56 PM.
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Keep your copium in high doses then, and in a moment of clarity please tell me why would they waste time and resources if 99% is more than happy with the game as it is? I'll kindly ask you to read my post again, if your post was a response to it. Sadly, I am well aware of the fact that Larian might not give a single damn about our request, and for that very reason I chose if instead of when. These forums are a clown show lol
lmao Seriously, let's not piss moderators off. The run it's course sentiment was a heavily biased take, but I guess we'll have to suck it up. It's not like we've won the fancy of either moderator. I want this thread to live long enough to happily break the 100 pages mark! We probably won't get Karlach a decent heart by then, but at least it'll be a big chungus testament that we're really pissed about it. By the way,
let me toss a suggestion for an ending which has been sitting in my mind for the past few days. The whole Karlach thing with having happy and sad moments, it adds an emotional value to the story and, no matter how much it hurts, I like it. Now, all of this would feel cheap if mid-game a heart fix is added (a man can hope), so how about merely making Dammon barge into the epilogue scene as Karlach is about to combust with a perfectly good, Material Plane-friendly heart? Also, of course, for those who prefer current endings, leave them as fail states if you don't collect regular and enhanced infernal iron bits and deliver them to Dammon.
Last edited by SynnLee; 20/10/23 07:09 PM. Reason: Once I read my message prettily formatted, I saw some improvements to flow, so here they go.
Erm, given that I've made this account for this purpose primarily... #JusticeForKarlach!
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how exactly can i report a moderator? As I mentioned in one of my posts above, you are welcome to PM any of us, or if you use the “report post” functionality then your message will go to all moderators. If that doesn’t resolve your issue, you can also contact Larian support at the email address on their website as we’re ultimately accountable to them. And definitely don’t do what TwistedComplex has done, as they’re now also taking a break.
"You may call it 'nonsense' if you like, but I've heard nonsense, compared with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!"
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The forums are better than most other. Steam is a troll's paradise and the mods on Reddit delete any posts critical of the game. Hell, I got banned from the Beamdog forums for saying the mods were wrong to ban the person who ran their roleplaying sub forum.
The mods here were forum participants before they became mods and some of them are willing to privately discuss mod policy. Are there some mods that are too quick with the ban hammer? Yes. But I don't see those coming around often. Most are decent humanoids.
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Seriously, let's not piss moderators off. The run it's course sentiment was a heavily biased take, but I guess we have to suck it up. The first sentence there was spot on. The bit that follows is less well-advised at it looks like taking yet another dig at Zentu, despite my requests. It’s very easy to keep this thread open. Just get back on topic and talk about Karlach in a civil fashion, don’t provoke or rise to provocation, and respect the rights of all forum members to hold and express opinions other than your own. If that’s what’s going on here, I and the other mods will have no reason to intervene. But please don’t make me come over here again!
"You may call it 'nonsense' if you like, but I've heard nonsense, compared with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!"
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I'm posting this because Reddit user redgoesfaster really brought a point in Nom's post on there:
"Mizora tells wyll if he chooses freedom his father dies - we still save his father after he chooses freedom
The emperor says we cannot free Orpheus because he will kill us - Orpheus does not kill us after we free him and is actually pretty chill
Ethel says we cannot save the child if we kill her - we kill her and save the child
Orin says she will kill our party member if we don't kill Gortash and hurry to her - we spend several weeks at a circus with an angry djinn and still save our companion without fighting Gortash
Mystra/Elminster AND Gale say Gale has to sacrifice himself to destroy the elder brain - we destroy the elder brain with Gale very much in tact
Omeluum says we can't save him and have to go for Ravengard - we save him and Ravengard (he even has a great ability making saving Ravengard easier)
Florrick insists all hope is lost and she has to die in her cell - we very easily convince her she's wrong and rescue her
There are a plethora of times through the game we are told something and prove it to be false. The fact that all the "Karlach's ending makes sense" stans parade what Dammon says (again a self defined APPRENTICE infernal smith) as absolute fact is such a silly hill to die on lol. That's not even going into the 5000 ways in dnd canon that we could save her. The fact is Karlach's ending just doesn't make sense, they could make it make sense and still insist on their shoehorned tragedy because angst=good story telling. But instead they lock it behind "one guy said this is how it have to be so this is how it have to be"."
Now add to this that said apprentice infernal smith later in Act 3 figures out a way to do it, to fix it, lines recorded and all but never made it into the released game - most likely because whatever we'd need for him to help her was actually in either Upper City or Avernus cut content - and you realise that this "we cannot fix her/can't fix her outside of Avernus" is very much bs also.
It's an active choice by Larian devs to pluck that out for whatever reason and it's the most jarring thing there is. Simply because we can do the opposite of what we're told we can, if we try hard enough. The devs said themselves, if players have a thought as to how to solve something and it's unconventional (see, crate stacking your way to 10th floor), it will still exist in the game.
Karlach's no engine fix is, once again, pure bullshit and an active dev choice to cut something that should have been there. For whatever (stupid Imho) opinion. I'm just gunna quote this because in the middle of all the derailing y'all seemed to miss a rather thoughtful comment that stayed on topic. Personally I feel like it really goes to show how most of the game followed through with the general idea that yes, just as in DnD, we should be able to affect most of the choices in our story and campaign - which is why Karlach's quest or the lack thereof, and the illusion of a multi-part story where we can actually succeed in the very end, feels so jarring. It's like sore thumb in an overall fantastic game with an enormous tree branching of choice and consequence, flowcharts and hooking onto nodes from previous dialogues and events. Karlach's story has a nice part one, poignant part two, then it just falls flat and throws itself off the cliff with a really well-done pain meeting grief meeting acceptance speech after Gortash. But what was supposed to follow was a finale that never happened, we are told to accept that we did everything but we never got there. It's like getting a story with a proper buildup, coming to a climax and....falling really, really flat. No execution, just emotional edging and never coming to a finish line. This very much explains why so many of us are here, why so many keep posting feedback on other social platforms. This is what we need to focus on. If you wanna talk about mods, PM a respected mod and explain the situation. Have beef with anyone in the thread, take it to their PMs or message a mod. Leave this place clean!
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how exactly can i report a moderator? As I mentioned in one of my posts above, you are welcome to PM any of us, or if you use the “report post” functionality then your message will go to all moderators. If that doesn’t resolve your issue, you can also contact Larian support at the email address on their website as we’re ultimately accountable to them. And definitely don’t do what TwistedComplex has done, as they’re now also taking a break. thank you very much for your awnser. just sent my report.
Last edited by Blook88; 20/10/23 08:43 PM.
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By the way,
let me toss a suggestion for an ending which has been sitting in my mind for the past few days. The whole Karlach thing with having happy and sad moments, it adds an emotional value to the story and, no matter how much it hurts, I like it. Now, all of this would feel cheap if mid-game a heart fix is added (a man can hope), so how about merely making Dammon barge into the epilogue scene as Karlach is about to combust with a perfectly good, Material Plane-friendly heart? Also, of course, for those who prefer current endings, leave them as fail states if you don't collect regular and enhanced infernal iron bits and deliver them to Dammon.
I dunno, ideally it sounds nice but I don't think i'd like to do more fetch quests because another issue with Karlach is having to do 2 fetch quests. Having to farm iron for her (and there's a ton in the game) seems a bit too much and doesn't fit with Larian's writing. Unless we loot this big watcher in the foundry, the final boss... or even talk to gondians. I think suggesting that maybe keeping all the Gondians alive and I mean all of them, being mandatory in giving Karlach her good ending? We let them know of Karlach's situation, we introduce them to Dammon, they both work together. I don't know, i'm just disappointed with her barebones questline compared to the rest of origin companions.
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Oh wow thanks for quoting this post because apparently I missed it somehow with all the stuff that happened, jesus. It's a very interesting read indeed. Makes you really think why was Karlach the only unfortunate one.
It just doesn't add up.
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It's been said before, but it's worth remembering the hints are all there that it could be sorted. You get told Karlach's engine is an old prototype version of the Steel Watcher one, hinting at the idea that Gortash gave Karlach to Zariel to obtain it (don't shoot me if this is false, never figured out the reason otherwise). You have the Gondians who worked on Steel Watchers for gods knows how long, presumably ever since Karlach was sold to Zariel, and thus worked on the same engine Karlach has but just a more advanced version. These Steel Watchers drop Enriched Infernal Iron which has absolutely no purpose in the game right now but is evidently used to maintain the advanced Steel Watcher engine. You have Dammon who has experience working with Infernal Iron and has helped her twice before. You can have the Ironhand Gnomes work together with the Gondians. But instead the Ironhand Gnomes never make mention of it, the Gondians say it's too old and Dammon says he can't figure anything out. Just have all of them work together and they should be able to fix it. Oh wow thanks for quoting this post because apparently I missed it somehow with all the stuff that happened, jesus. It's a very interesting read indeed. Makes you really think why was Karlach the only unfortunate one.
It just doesn't add up. I mean, until Shadowheart gets to save her parents without living in eternal torment, or until Astarion gets to stop burning in the sun without losing his soul, I wouldn't say it should be a purely fortunate ending, but there should be something where they can fix her up to the point where it isn't just "Avernus or bust". Just some kind of "it'll remain stable for now but it won't stop hurting outside of Avernus" state. So you still have to make a somewhat meaningful choice of going there; pain or Avernus, rather than death or Avernus.
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There should definitely be some sort of payoff for the fix, for sure. I don't expect the devs to sell a perfect happy ending for her because that will just create an outrage with the other Origin's fans. However, just like I chose to save Sharts parents at the cost of her never getting rid of that pain, and picking Astarion's well-being over the fact that he won't be able to stand in the sun again, I would definitely choose a less powerful Karlach or even forcefully retired Karlach (who wanted to go on adventures in Faerûn after the events of BG3, mind), over a dead Karlach or Karlach back in hell. Endings and Origins discussion below: The only one that really gets out without much of a fallout is Gale when he brings the crown to Mystra. Though I don't know for myself just yet how Mystra taking him back under her wing affects his relationship with Tav (given Mystra's grooming tendencies and Gale's deep connection to her). Lae'zel staying with Tav feels good for the romance part, but comes at the cost of her greatest wish - to become Kith'rak and ride a red dragon and wield a silver sword, now as the liberator of her people and strongest Githyanki alive. So that's a 50/50 choice, much like Shadowheart's parents and pain vs no parents and no pain but deep regrets instead. Astarion is much more evil vs good coded, but what's interesting is that his story never takes him to free himself from vampirism. If that were the case, I feel like curing him and leaving Karlach to die would've made an even greater earthquake re: what's fixable or not with a fantasy realm at hand. Wyll has a solid set of choices Imo, the only part lacking is that his story is so light in content especially in Act 2, which on one hand isn't weird given Shart and the shadow curse take the scene, but I still feel like his story could've used some more meat on those bones.
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