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Originally Posted by Tinheart
You are like those people who would bash idk game of thrones or something like this because they killed off your favourite character. Karlach was supposed to be doomed, they even said it in one of the interview, yet for some reason you wanna force them to change entire point of the character


People wanted GoT final season completely remade because they don't like it. The main original thing we wanted here was to add back two most important locations for Karlach which were cut off from the game and where was the engine fix possible. Without them the whole story feels really unfinished.

There was no toxicity, just discussion about Karlachs removed content and what if discussion with various ideas. Nothing more.

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Because at least latest news told us, that the good ending was already created.

I don't think 'created' is the right word here, we don't know at which stage they were gotten rid of and why. But it does look like at some point they were considered. So, not supposed to be doomed from the start, likely. Now, what came first - the writing decision to forsake those endings orrrr [insert whatever happened that caused Act 3 to be the most criticized part of the game], that we'll likely never know. The latter would be more promising for our hopes than the former.


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Thats fair, but partly the no new* content in the thread is the fact larian hasnt really made any announcments yet. But id humbly argue this thread is a good place where ppl share any updates like interviews or twitter posts and such to discuss, so i hope you guys dont lock the thread as this is my (and many others here) first place to check for snything new regarding karlach. Which may be few and far between in updates as larian keeps their cards tight to their chest smile

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I just wish more of the last few pages werent so muxh ppl being upset at our requests in endings/content and having the back and forth

When a made a comment a bit back about "feeling the thread had run it's course" it was taken wrong. I am looking at the last few pages as you noted and in truth no real "new" discussion has been added for some time. The thread has provided some excellent posts articulation a great many views on this and obviously show a passion that has built around the character of Karlach. It is also cool that we have managed to get this thread to the 100 page mark, just to say we could do it hehe

As you noted however now there has been more posts of people being negative about the existence of the thread and that steals from what it was intended for. I think if this trend continues we should look at letting this thread end. It has served well for what it was intended, it just might be time to move on and not feed trolls.

(Just my opinion, not an official position)

Thank you for clearing that up, appreciate it! Sorry for coming of as a bit... mean before, after you made that post because the 'run its course' comment sounded a bit odd for me so I apologize for misreading your post as a 'threat' to close this thread lol. laugh

It's also a good idea to ignore anyone who tries to derail it because honestly, it's such a good thread with plenty of ideas and just pure discussion.

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Originally Posted by Norrec69
Thats fair, but partly the no new* content in the thread is the fact larian hasnt really made any announcments yet. But id humbly argue this thread is a good place where ppl share any updates like interviews or twitter posts and such to discuss, so i hope you guys dont lock the thread as this is my (and many others here) first place to check for snything new regarding karlach. Which may be few and far between in updates as larian keeps their cards tight to their chest smile

There are no plans to lock the thread, do not worry hehe Just looking at all sides and possibilities.

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Originally Posted by Tinheart
You are like those people who would bash idk game of thrones or something like this because they killed off your favourite character. Karlach was supposed to be doomed, they even said it in one of the interview, yet for some reason you wanna force them to change entire point of the character

Please lets not start this again. If people want to ask for a change let them. This does not hurt anyone and if you do not like the thread, as I said above, just ignore it.
And yet the Shadowheart thread got shut down. Why the double standard? I don't think this thread should be closed but the Shadowheart thread should be reopened or at the very least we should be allowed to make a new one.

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But it hurts someone when I tell them it's not fair to force creators to change something they made?

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I'm sorry I must have missed the gun I was holding to the head of Larian commanding them to change Karlach's story or else. Larian requested feedback on their game, I'm giving feedback on their game. I'm not sure why this offends you so much.

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Originally Posted by Tinheart
But it hurts someone when I tell them it's not fair to force creators to change something they made?

Looking very dejectedly at you right now, pal

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I promise you, we can't force Larian to do anything they decide they don't want to do. We simply don't have that kind of power. They are in no danger from us and are free to not take this feedback into account if they deem it unreasonable. In my opinion that wouldn't even really count as "Not listening to their players" because they clearly do with all the updates they're doing like magic mirrors and rumored photomodes. The only thing in our power is to stop playing if we can't handle it, which would be our right and wouldn't really hurt anyone seeing as the game is already bought.

It is, however, genuinely funny that we're somehow both the "thread on some old forum no one cares about" and "people forcing creators to make changes" (what, at a gunpoint?) laugh The duality of a fan.

This is the point where I would like to re-rail the thread again, but all I have at hand now is "Hey have you guys heard that Miracle of Sound promised a Karlach-centric song? 'Cause I'm hyped!". I do, however, echo that this is my main source of any actual news when they do drop!

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I'm sorry I must have missed the gun I was holding to the head of Larian

Jinx! laugh

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Originally Posted by Tinheart
But it hurts someone when I tell them it's not fair to force creators to change something they made?
Feedback is not 'forcing the creators'. Do not try to twist this thread into something that's not. smile

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Originally Posted by Tinheart
But it hurts someone when I tell them it's not fair to force creators to change something they made?


Forcing creators is really very strong. Most of the feedback here was constructive and with all respect to Larian and the devs.

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Another Karlach song? Do we get 3?!?!

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Another Karlach song? Do we get 3?!?!

At the very least! What a testament to how much her character is loved, honestly.

Very curious to see which angle this one will take.


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The first 2 were pretty fantastic. I listen to devil with a heart of iron on my runs lol

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Originally Posted by Norrec69
Another Karlach song? Do we get 3?!?!

Another one for Sam's streaming arsenal.

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I love Karlach as a character. (I'm not sure if we still have to use spoiler tags after 100+ pages, but here goes.)

I am glad that the Avernus option was added for Karlach, so that she at least has a chance now. I feel like the fact that she is originally adamant about not going back, but learns to reconsider it once she has true friends who'd be willing to back with her, is a great development. I do think that adding more options for her would be appropriate. If/when a significant content expansion might happen for the game broadly, I think it would be hard to justify not expanding Karlach's content too. In the meantime, it might be appropriate to get to talk to the Gondians about her situation, even if it turns out that there isn't time for them to fix her before things reach a head.

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It's unfair to demand author to change the point of the characters story just because you didn't liked the ending

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I don't know how over 100 pages of complaining because you have a problem with ending is respectful. It's explained well enough why her engine can't be fixed, so why change the ending if it's good enough?

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Originally Posted by Walking Kole
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Another Karlach song? Do we get 3?!?!

Another one for Sam's streaming arsenal.

i may have missed the links for them. can someone post them (again), please?


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Another Karlach song? Do we get 3?!?!

Another one for Sam's streaming arsenal.

i may have missed the links for them. can someone post them (again), please?

Here you go:

Devil with a Heart of Iron

Unchained

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