Okay, we all know that this discussion is going to end with folk still having different views, and that is fine. But as I've said before, please recognise when your point has been made and it's time to agree to disagree. And when we are debating, let's do our best to make the discussion friendly and constructive.
"You may call it 'nonsense' if you like, but I've heard nonsense, compared with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!"