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I already explained why for me (and basically everyone I met so far outside this thread) her engine was obviously never meant to be fixed. And you said it yourself, Lae'Zel can break free from Vlaakkith or remain loyal, Gale can save himself or be consumed by power. Karlach can also accept her death, go back to avernus or even sacrifice herself and become mindflayer on top of that, so what's the problem here? Perhaps in your circle that may be the popular opinion, but it's not at all the case in any open forum space. The problem here is that you're not allowed to try. For every other companion, their fate was earned. Ours was not. I don't want to play a visual novel when I play with Karlach. I want to play the choose-your-own-adventure that I was promised. Correct me if i'm wrong, didn't devs add new lines in patch 2 to point out that her situation is hopeless? They also stated many times in the interviews that they are happy with the state of the game and they don't plan on creating DLCs and expansions The devs did add a few lines about Karlach despairing about her fate. All of that is to flesh out her existing plotline because prior to that it felt bare-bones on that front. However, an alternative pathway would have different lines. Also, for the Sven about DLCs. He himself said that you'd need different protagonists, antagonists and stakes, so the point about Karlach's story being finished stays
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So she's sooooo popular as a origin character. And like 7% of players went for origin characters, instead of creating their own? So what are you talking about exactly. And well actually I agree 2 patches were related to her. Or rather related to proving my point, unless you haven't seen the cinematic they added in patch 2. Also I don't really care about twitter or tumblr content as most of it is fetish porn, and I doubt devs care either. 2 songs are nice I guess though but I don't see how they are supposed to change anything So you're just going to ignore that she's popular then. Gotcha. Most people went for custom characters, yes. This is why you need the other metrics to see which companions they went for and how they engaged with them. Nobody brought up fetish whatever, it's just you. I was talking about fanart, fan music, fan animations, and the like.
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Oh right just like back in the day there were billions clips of Mark Ruffalo spoiling the avengers movies. If it was something he wasn't supposed to say, they would have removed it. Bro calm down with copium
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I already explained why for me (and basically everyone I met so far outside this thread) her engine was obviously never meant to be fixed. And you said it yourself, Lae'Zel can break free from Vlaakkith or remain loyal, Gale can save himself or be consumed by power. Karlach can also accept her death, go back to avernus or even sacrifice herself and become mindflayer on top of that, so what's the problem here? Perhaps in your circle that may be the popular opinion, but it's not at all the case in any open forum space. The problem here is that you're not allowed to try. For every other companion, their fate was earned. Ours was not. I don't want to play a visual novel when I play with Karlach. I want to play the choose-your-own-adventure that I was promised. Correct me if i'm wrong, didn't devs add new lines in patch 2 to point out that her situation is hopeless? They also stated many times in the interviews that they are happy with the state of the game and they don't plan on creating DLCs and expansions The devs did add a few lines about Karlach despairing about her fate. All of that is to flesh out her existing plotline because prior to that it felt bare-bones on that front. However, an alternative pathway would have different lines. Also, for the Sven about DLCs. Himself said that you'd need different protagonists, antagonists and stakes, so the point about Karlach's story being finished stays Not really. Karlach getting a different antagonist tied to an engine fix after the game's ending would be a lot easier for them to do than reworking her quest. In terms of difficulty, the easiest way out is an epilogue (voicelines for which were datamined from Patch 3) where Karlach emerges from Avernus (if you picked that choice). We're yet to know in what state, because the lines were only from Withers, and he's very vague. The next easiest pathway is a DLC with a short questline in Avernus. Couple that with some padding in her main-game storyline, and you have yourself a complete narrative without the need to rework her questline.
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But there were never any plans for "alternative" patch. This is just your opinion (shared by maybe 3 more people here) literally everyone everywhere have different opinion about her questline. Hate to break it out to you guys but you're the minority and now even particularly loud one. I would love to know how you figured that out when on any social media platform, our view is by far the most popular one regarding Karlach's predicament. The other one corrects him that this is what's already in the game, he clearly meant the scene in act 2 where Dammon makes it so Karlach's touch doesn't burn people. No. You're completely wrong. Here's what's happening: Dammon's VA mentions how Dammon figured out a solution. Then he says he wasn't expecting him to come up with that solution because beforehand Dammon said he couldn't do anything else for her -- that's the second time you meet Dammon. When Sam reminds him that that is what's in the game right now, that's the moment Dammon's VA clasps his mouth having realized he said something he shouldn't have. They played it off, but the truth is out there. You really want to compare yourself to some twitter weirdos that complain about literally everything and do it for the sake of complaining? They always find problems and reasons to be mad, don't go this way It has nothing to do with complaints, and everything to do with fan content and engagement. Even if you disregard the entire user base, if you only check Larian's official Twitter, you'll see their Karlach tweets are some of the most popular ones. I'm not very active on social media (mostly reddit) and I've never seen anyone complaining about Karlach until I went here. The view I saw the most often so far is that the game is GOTY material but Emperor vs Orpheus conflict is done poorly/feels rushed. Nobody ever mentioned Karlach outside this thread. But I decided to dive into the issue and verify what you said and the biggest "complaint" I found about Karlach was that she's not coded as lesbian character (which is kinda weird because none of the companion's sexuality is pre defined) but once again, it's twitter so it doesn't surprise me. As for VAs, no, I don't think they'd air something that could have potential spoilers, it was just a slip up about the act 2 and they played it as a joke
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Oh right just like back in the day there were billions clips of Mark Ruffalo spoiling the avengers movies. If it was something he wasn't supposed to say, they would have removed it. Bro calm down with copium Who are they? Larian? They're not the Gestapo, mate. You're trolling a bit too hard here and you're starting to lose the plot.
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Well it's really simple - the devs decided that and there's no helping with that. There are many fictional characters who suffered an unfair fate, so I don't exactly get your point. Someone above mentioned thay Dammon's VA recorded the finish to her questline or something like that. If it was true, why would they cut it from the game? And that's the question. Maybe some major bugs, maybe some plot holes in the story, maybe lack of time, because the release was close and even planned to be a month earlier. In my opinion it was combination of all these factors. Or maybe you right and they do not plan to fix her engine at all in the end. But all clues we have looks like it was possible to fix her. And at the end they don't have even time to remove these clues from the game.
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So larian who said themselves they want to give players full experience without any microtransactions and crap like that are now supposed to release dlc where you save Karlach? What youre saying is they are supposed to admit they screwed up and then release a PAID dlc as a apology? Or maybe you expect them to give it for free
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I'm not very active on social media (mostly reddit) and I've never seen anyone complaining about Karlach until I went here. The view I saw the most often so far is that the game is GOTY material but Emperor vs Orpheus conflict is done poorly/feels rushed. Nobody ever mentioned Karlach outside this thread. But I decided to dive into the issue and verify what you said and the biggest "complaint" I found about Karlach was that she's not coded as lesbian character (which is kinda weird because none of the companion's sexuality is pre defined) but once again, it's twitter so it doesn't surprise me.
As for VAs, no, I don't think they'd air something that could have potential spoilers, it was just a slip up about the act 2 and they played it as a joke I can tell you're not active, because here's a sample of what you can find on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/15mx2c8/addressing_karlach/https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/171oo18/you_did_all_you_could_to_help_her/https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/1742r9h/dont_you_dare_tell_me_hes_not_favorized/You can also check all the feedback megathreads. People agree with us, not you. Edit: The VA slipped up and revealed something that wasn't in the game. Sam rushed to correct him. That's what happened.
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I already explained why for me (and basically everyone I met so far outside this thread) her engine was obviously never meant to be fixed. And you said it yourself, Lae'Zel can break free from Vlaakkith or remain loyal, Gale can save himself or be consumed by power. Karlach can also accept her death, go back to avernus or even sacrifice herself and become mindflayer on top of that, so what's the problem here? Perhaps in your circle that may be the popular opinion, but it's not at all the case in any open forum space. The problem here is that you're not allowed to try. For every other companion, their fate was earned. Ours was not. I don't want to play a visual novel when I play with Karlach. I want to play the choose-your-own-adventure that I was promised. Correct me if i'm wrong, didn't devs add new lines in patch 2 to point out that her situation is hopeless? They also stated many times in the interviews that they are happy with the state of the game and they don't plan on creating DLCs and expansions The devs did add a few lines about Karlach despairing about her fate. All of that is to flesh out her existing plotline because prior to that it felt bare-bones on that front. However, an alternative pathway would have different lines. Also, for the Sven about DLCs. Himself said that you'd need different protagonists, antagonists and stakes, so the point about Karlach's story being finished stays Not really. Karlach getting a different antagonist tied to an engine fix after the game's ending would be a lot easier for them to do than reworking her quest. In terms of difficulty, the easiest way out is an epilogue (voicelines for which were datamined from Patch 3) where Karlach emerges from Avernus (if you picked that choice). We're yet to know in what state, because the lines were only from Withers, and he's very vague. The next easiest pathway is a DLC with a short questline in Avernus. Couple that with some padding in her main-game storyline, and you have yourself a complete narrative without the need to rework her questline. That's the exact opposite of what he said. The first line of the article says it all "different protagonists, different antagonists, different stakes". Like what more do you need, if the DLC will ever be released, it won't related to the main story. Well it's really simple - the devs decided that and there's no helping with that. There are many fictional characters who suffered an unfair fate, so I don't exactly get your point. Someone above mentioned thay Dammon's VA recorded the finish to her questline or something like that. If it was true, why would they cut it from the game? And that's the question. Maybe some major bugs, maybe some plot holes in the story, maybe lack of time, because the release close and even planned to be a month earlier. In my opinion it was combination of all these factors. Or maybe you right and they do not plan to fix her engine at all in the end. But all clues we have looks like it was possible to fix her. And at the end they don't have even time to remove these clues from the game. There are no clues, it's just your and Kole's opinion. Nobody outside this thread thinks that her engine was ever supposed to be fixable, I was quite surprised to find out you actually think otherwise for some reason, despite the obvious writing on the wall that it was never the case
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So larian who said themselves they want to give players full experience without any microtransactions and crap like that are now supposed to release dlc where you save Karlach? What youre saying is they are supposed to admit they screwed up and then release a PAID dlc as a apology? Or maybe you expect them to give it for free Who's talking about apologies? We're talking about more content. DLCs aren't the same as microtransactions. The Witcher is the best example of a game expanded and enriched, rather than patched by, DLCs. I don't expect them to release those for free, no.
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I'm not very active on social media (mostly reddit) and I've never seen anyone complaining about Karlach until I went here. The view I saw the most often so far is that the game is GOTY material but Emperor vs Orpheus conflict is done poorly/feels rushed. Nobody ever mentioned Karlach outside this thread. But I decided to dive into the issue and verify what you said and the biggest "complaint" I found about Karlach was that she's not coded as lesbian character (which is kinda weird because none of the companion's sexuality is pre defined) but once again, it's twitter so it doesn't surprise me.
As for VAs, no, I don't think they'd air something that could have potential spoilers, it was just a slip up about the act 2 and they played it as a joke I can tell you're not active, because here's a sample of what you can find on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/15mx2c8/addressing_karlach/https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/171oo18/you_did_all_you_could_to_help_her/https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/1742r9h/dont_you_dare_tell_me_hes_not_favorized/You can also check all the feedback megathreads. People agree with us, not you. Edit: The VA slipped up and revealed something that wasn't in the game. Sam rushed to correct him. That's what happened. Those are just two memes nobody takes seriously and the first one was posted by the same guy who opened this thread so it kinda doesn't count. It was also posted two months ago so around patch 2 which made sense back then, but definitely doesn't now. Especially that the two memes are also quite old. And if VAs told something they weren't supposed to, they wouldn't be allowed to upload to video
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That's the exact opposite of what he said. The first line of the article says it all "different protagonists, different antagonists, different stakes". Like what more do you need, if the DLC will ever be released, it won't related to the main story. You can have different protagonists in tandem with the original cast. Those are not mutually exclusive. When Swen says "You'd need different stakes, different environments, different protagonists, and antagonists", he's talking about how a DLC wouldn't ncessarily have to be at the end of the game but it would need an entirely new setting in order to not clash with the main game. Because if you implement new content within the main game, it's a lot of work and a lot could go wrong (as we can already see with their past few patches). But that has nothing to do with what they will or will not expand upon. There are no clues, it's just your and Kole's opinion. Nobody outside this thread thinks that her engine was ever supposed to be fixable, I was quite surprised to find out you actually think otherwise for some reason, despite the obvious writing on the wall that it was never the case Given I just proved you wrong, you ought to concede the point. You're not active on social media, so you're not aware of the discourse. That's fine. But don't pretend like you know for a fact what the prevailing opinion is among the engaged fandom.
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So larian who said themselves they want to give players full experience without any microtransactions and crap like that are now supposed to release dlc where you save Karlach? What youre saying is they are supposed to admit they screwed up and then release a PAID dlc as a apology? Or maybe you expect them to give it for free Who's talking about apologies? We're talking about more content. DLCs aren't the same as microtransactions. The Witcher is the best example of a game expanded and enriched, rather than patched by, DLCs. I don't expect them to release those for free, no. This idiot is starting to get on my nerves, but he's right on that one. They won't release new content for free (unless we're talking about bug fixes and other obvious things) and they already said that potential DLC won't be related to the main story
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Well paying to fix "beloved" character as you described her is not exactly a full experience they promised isn't it?
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That's the exact opposite of what he said. The first line of the article says it all "different protagonists, different antagonists, different stakes". Like what more do you need, if the DLC will ever be released, it won't related to the main story. You can have different protagonists in tandem with the original cast. Those are not mutually exclusive. When Swen says "You'd need different stakes, different environments, different protagonists, and antagonists", he's talking about how a DLC wouldn't ncessarily have to be at the end of the game but it would need an entirely new setting in order to not clash with the main game. Because if you implement new content within the main game, it's a lot of work and a lot could go wrong (as we can already see with their past few patches). But that has nothing to do with what they will or will not expand upon. There are no clues, it's just your and Kole's opinion. Nobody outside this thread thinks that her engine was ever supposed to be fixable, I was quite surprised to find out you actually think otherwise for some reason, despite the obvious writing on the wall that it was never the case Given I just proved you wrong, you ought to concede the point. You're not active on social media, so you're not aware of the discourse. That's fine. But don't pretend like you know for a fact what the prevailing opinion is among the engaged fandom. I don't follow every thread or post on social media but it's clear you overestimate the "engaged fandom". There were some threads on reddit but those are either old or literal memes made for fun. There are some weirdos on twitter but those are also just some guys complaining for the sake of complaining. You put some nice arguments, I'll give you that but it was just two or three guys, calling it engaged fandom is a bit of a stretch
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But there were never any plans for "alternative" patch. This is just your opinion (shared by maybe 3 more people here) literally everyone everywhere have different opinion about her questline. Hate to break it out to you guys but you're the minority and now even particularly loud one. I would love to know how you figured that out when on any social media platform, our view is by far the most popular one regarding Karlach's predicament. The other one corrects him that this is what's already in the game, he clearly meant the scene in act 2 where Dammon makes it so Karlach's touch doesn't burn people. No. You're completely wrong. Here's what's happening: Dammon's VA mentions how Dammon figured out a solution. Then he says he wasn't expecting him to come up with that solution because beforehand Dammon said he couldn't do anything else for her -- that's the second time you meet Dammon. When Sam reminds him that that is what's in the game right now, that's the moment Dammon's VA clasps his mouth having realized he said something he shouldn't have. They played it off, but the truth is out there. You really want to compare yourself to some twitter weirdos that complain about literally everything and do it for the sake of complaining? They always find problems and reasons to be mad, don't go this way It has nothing to do with complaints, and everything to do with fan content and engagement. Even if you disregard the entire user base, if you only check Larian's official Twitter, you'll see their Karlach tweets are some of the most popular ones. I'm not very active on social media (mostly reddit) and I've never seen anyone complaining about Karlach until I went here. The view I saw the most often so far is that the game is GOTY material but Emperor vs Orpheus conflict is done poorly/feels rushed. Nobody ever mentioned Karlach outside this thread. But I decided to dive into the issue and verify what you said and the biggest "complaint" I found about Karlach was that she's not coded as lesbian character (which is kinda weird because none of the companion's sexuality is pre defined) but once again, it's twitter so it doesn't surprise me. As for VAs, no, I don't think they'd air something that could have potential spoilers, it was just a slip up about the act 2 and they played it as a joke After I finished the game for the firs time, it was even before patch 2 and I figured out, that I'm not able to fix her I started to look what did I wrong on the internet and reddit, steam forums and similar we're full of these posts and topics about why Karlach cannot be fixed and first clues about removed content. Many of these threads were locked and deleted and people moved here. Please honestly answer me simple questions. Isn't it strange, that in whole act3 there is zero dialogs directly speaking about why she cannot be fixed? Doesn't it feel strange, that dialogs, where you basically expect that there will be something about the fix are missing at all or leads to nowhere? And I don't have any problem with actual endings, no, I like them. But the one missing ending option which you expect from act1 to be somewhere at the end of the game is frustrating.
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I'm not very active on social media (mostly reddit) and I've never seen anyone complaining about Karlach until I went here. The view I saw the most often so far is that the game is GOTY material but Emperor vs Orpheus conflict is done poorly/feels rushed. Nobody ever mentioned Karlach outside this thread. But I decided to dive into the issue and verify what you said and the biggest "complaint" I found about Karlach was that she's not coded as lesbian character (which is kinda weird because none of the companion's sexuality is pre defined) but once again, it's twitter so it doesn't surprise me.
As for VAs, no, I don't think they'd air something that could have potential spoilers, it was just a slip up about the act 2 and they played it as a joke I can tell you're not active, because here's a sample of what you can find on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/15mx2c8/addressing_karlach/https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/171oo18/you_did_all_you_could_to_help_her/https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/1742r9h/dont_you_dare_tell_me_hes_not_favorized/You can also check all the feedback megathreads. People agree with us, not you. Edit: The VA slipped up and revealed something that wasn't in the game. Sam rushed to correct him. That's what happened. Those are just two memes nobody takes seriously and the first one was posted by the same guy who opened this thread so it kinda doesn't count. It was also posted two months ago so around patch 2 which made sense back then, but definitely doesn't now. Especially that the two memes are also quite old. And if VAs told something they weren't supposed to, they wouldn't be allowed to upload to video i made the post on Aug 05 and there are still relative new comments which agree about a new/good ending. before arguing and telling lies, start researching.
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I'm not very active on social media (mostly reddit) and I've never seen anyone complaining about Karlach until I went here. The view I saw the most often so far is that the game is GOTY material but Emperor vs Orpheus conflict is done poorly/feels rushed. Nobody ever mentioned Karlach outside this thread. But I decided to dive into the issue and verify what you said and the biggest "complaint" I found about Karlach was that she's not coded as lesbian character (which is kinda weird because none of the companion's sexuality is pre defined) but once again, it's twitter so it doesn't surprise me.
As for VAs, no, I don't think they'd air something that could have potential spoilers, it was just a slip up about the act 2 and they played it as a joke I can tell you're not active, because here's a sample of what you can find on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/15mx2c8/addressing_karlach/https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/171oo18/you_did_all_you_could_to_help_her/https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/1742r9h/dont_you_dare_tell_me_hes_not_favorized/You can also check all the feedback megathreads. People agree with us, not you. Edit: The VA slipped up and revealed something that wasn't in the game. Sam rushed to correct him. That's what happened. Those are just two memes nobody takes seriously and the first one was posted by the same guy who opened this thread so it kinda doesn't count. It was also posted two months ago so around patch 2 which made sense back then, but definitely doesn't now. Especially that the two memes are also quite old. And if VAs told something they weren't supposed to, they wouldn't be allowed to upload to video Larian can't control what someone uploads. NDAs don't work like that. You have to request a takedown. But if you do that, the chances of you bringing more attention to this are higher, given the fact that others will disseminate what's been said in the interview. It's a hassle not worth bothering with. As for the memes, they're highly upvoted because they agree with the premise. Did you check the comments to see the discussion? People take those seriously. The memes are 16 and 13 days old. Not really "quite old", given how long after the Karlach patch it's been. But fine, here's a day-old thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/17cvi9f/karlach_broke_me/Look at the discussion. Look at the top-voted comment, and then the top-voted reply to it. They all want to save her somehow. No one's even thinking about your preferred ending. Here's a thread about Sam confirming different cut Dammon and Karlach content: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGat..._and_dammon_romance_cut_content_karlach/
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After I finished the game for the firs time, it was even before patch 2 and I figured out, that I'm not able to fix her I started to look what did I wrong on the internet and reddit, steam forums and similar we're full of these posts and topics about why Karlach cannot be fixed and first clues about removed content. Many of these threads were locked and deleted and people moved here. The sentiments about Karlach have remained the same. Whenever it's brought up, most people agree on all the points we talked about way back in August. People are still discussing her predicament from time to time. Nothing much has changed, except the frequency.
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