Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Story & Character Discussion [END SPOILS WARNING] Addressing Karlach (PLEASE PUT SPOILERS IN TAGS)

I don't follow every thread or post on social media but it's clear you overestimate the "engaged fandom". There were some threads on reddit but those are either old or literal memes made for fun. There are some weirdos on twitter but those are also just some guys complaining for the sake of complaining. You put some nice arguments, I'll give you that but it was just two or three guys, calling it engaged fandom is a bit of a stretch

After I finished the game for the firs time, it was even before patch 2 and I figured out, that I'm not able to fix her I started to look what did I wrong on the internet and reddit, steam forums and similar we're full of these posts and topics about why Karlach cannot be fixed and first clues about removed content. Many of these threads were locked and deleted and people moved here.

Please honestly answer me simple questions. Isn't it strange, that in whole act3 there is zero dialogs directly speaking about why she cannot be fixed? Doesn't it feel strange, that dialogs, where you basically expect that there will be something about the fix are missing at all or leads to nowhere?

And I don't have any problem with actual endings, no, I like them. But the one missing ending option which you expect from act1 to be somewhere at the end of the game is frustrating.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/15j5tfe/comment/k47cews/?context=3

i made the post on Aug 05 and there are still relative new comments which agree about a new/good ending. before arguing and telling lies, start researching.

Larian can't control what someone uploads. NDAs don't work like that. You have to request a takedown. But if you do that, the chances of you bringing more attention to this are higher, given the fact that others will disseminate what's been said in the interview. It's a hassle not worth bothering with.

As for the memes, they're highly upvoted because they agree with the premise. Did you check the comments to see the discussion? People take those seriously. The memes are 16 and 13 days old. Not really "quite old", given how long after the Karlach patch it's been.

But fine, here's a day-old thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/17cvi9f/karlach_broke_me/

Look at the discussion. Look at the top-voted comment, and then the top-voted reply to it. They all want to save her somehow. No one's even thinking about your preferred ending.

Here's a thread about Sam confirming different cut Dammon and Karlach content: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGat..._and_dammon_romance_cut_content_karlach/

The sentiments about Karlach have remained the same. Whenever it's brought up, most people agree on all the points we talked about way back in August. People are still discussing her predicament from time to time. Nothing much has changed, except the frequency.

Nicely said.

And what's your problem now? Like I said anything wrong, as for now im 100% right yet there are people who just wont accept facts

Well there are still people who can't move on from the ending of game of thrones. Like cool always good to have people talking but you won't change anything

I think your point has been made, but your basically repeating yourself. If they want to discuss Karlach please allow them to do so in peace without the need for the naysayer.

Thank you for stepping in, Zentu.

I think it's best if we start ignoring people who don't engage in good faith, like The Red Queen said.

This is the counter side to my point. There are always going to be people that will see a thread full of passionate discussion and want to see if they can stir the pot a bit. The temptation to respond in kind is just human nature but for the sake of the thread the best solution is to not reply.

This, thank you.

Just building on what Zentu said above, I know we have said in this thread that we expect folk to be willing to let others express dissenting views, but that doesn't mean it's okay for folk to come here and repeatedly challenge the validity of those in this thread expressing theirs. We have also already said that arguing whether or not Larian will actually make changes is off topic: what's at issue here is what people want to happen and they're perfectly entitled to say that however likely or unlikely a change is. And calling other posters idiots is totally out of order.

I'll also say that if folk create an account here and then repetitively and heatedly post in a single thread, long past the point where they've made their views clear, particularly when it descends into just disagreeing with others rather than putting forward a positive case for their own views, then the natural conclusion is that they're a troll. I'd suggest building some good will by contributing to the forum more generally rather than giving the impression that you're only here to disrupt a specific thread.

Conrad Curze and Tinheart will be taking a couple of weeks off, not having heeded earlier warnings.

Thank god, imagine my disappointment when i saw +100 new replies to this thread thinking something exciting was happening, only to discover its just been troll wars here. Hopefully things will go back to the normal, constructive discussion again.

Thank you merciful god queen!

Thank you mods, both for giving them a break and trying to warn them. Kole seemed to be really trying to offer legitimate conversation but they just didn't care.

Moving back on topic though! I did have an idea for an additional ending that isn't... well exactly what the thread is looking for, but something that I thought would be nice under specific circumstances.

That would be a pretty emotionally touching end, if rather sad.

Definately a cool option if implemented.

But I am a sucker for a happy ending so im still gonna hope larian prioritizes her fix and staying before anything else

I still think all of this kind of boils down to Upper City and how it was cut. Larian can (and will), of course, always say that every game has cut content and what they did release, was the intended version (saying anything other than that would be a PR disaster). But there's just one little thing. The Community Update #19 - Mechs and the City, from 12th of June, a bit over a month before the game released. It states:

"This weekend, we unveiled the city of Baldur's Gate for the very first time, with a glimpse behind its walls and around its familiar labyrinthine streets. It's been about 20 years since we last had a pint in the Elfsong Tavern or crawled through the sewers beneath the city streets and, as you might have spotted during the PC Gaming Show, many of these locations are back, and many news ones are waiting to be discovered for the first time - giving you a chance to explore the menacing roads of the Outer City, the opulent estates of the Upper City, and the dark alleys and pubs of the Lower City."

Where is this Upper City in the game? I am willing to bet actual money that Karlach's questline would have been featured heavily in that place, but for some reason (technical, performance or similar, most likely) it was cut, and some of the content was hastily plopped down to lower city, cutting the others either short or out of the game altogether. They did move up the release date in order not to compete against Starfield, so maybe something got seriously bugged out just before and they "did all they could" for BG3. Poignant, and fiery.

Maybe they will re-add it in the (most definitely) eventual Definitive/Tadpole/Goty/Whatever edition, maybe they will not. But there will be a definitive edition, as there's absolutely no reason not to. They can make it free, they can make it paid, but they will make it, and they will make a lot of money from it too. And good press as well.

Technically we do explore two opulent estates in the Upper City - Ramazith's Tower and Cazador's mansion. Sounds suspiciously like marketing speak to me.

Could be yeah. Still sad that all we see from 'upper city' are the insides of estates. What's weirder for me is the way we enter Cazador's palace as obviously the main gate to it is after the Upper City gate. I don't know if it's just me but I feel like the upper part of map has a whole lot of nothingness (more than the left and bottom parts of map) and gives me the feeling there was supposed to be another part of city but got blacked out/cut.

Basically the map, if you press and move it around, there's just so much blackness. Or maybe i'm just reading too much into it haha.