But there has to be some ending, that feels like proper ending.
For one I loved my ending in Dragon Age: Origins. I died slaying the archdemon. Hardly happy ending, but I was so very happy with it. It was just fitting and left a very strong impression in me.
And another Bioware example. Dragon Age Inquisition. For the proper ending I consider the ending of Tresspasser. I will try to avoid possible spoilers, but especially if player romanced Solas, the ending was definitely not happy, very much bittersweet. But that left also such a strong impression on me. (Yes I know Bioware has a lot of flaws, but these two endings really made me 'feel something')
With DAI it was very open ending to make a place for future games. So if Larian wanted to leave the end 'open', it might have been done much better.
BG III is one of the best games I have ever played, but the ending left me with feeling of dissatisfaction and just: 'That's it?'
As Sven said in some interwiev, they did cut the ending, because they thought that people would think it too long. So I genuinely hope they will add something in future. Beside this unsatisfactory companions ending, what about the rest of my choices through the game? I would really love these ending slides like in some other games, to summarize what my character achieved and what did come up of my choices and deeds.
They feel more incomplete than sad imo. Idk how I’d feel if it turned out the endings are like this for dlc purposes. On one hand I can see karlach’s avernus ending being a perfect set up for dlc, but as it is most of the others are so abrupt that it would feel like they just… chopped off the ending altogether to sell to you later.
Karlach's Avernus ending felt exactly like that. Before the cutscene was added, choosing that option literally cut to black. It wasn't a "new" ending like it's being erroneously portrayed everywhere. It was an existing ending that had a cutscene put in where it should've been. I imagine it's the same for some of the other more abrupt endings (even if they don't literally cut to black).
Edit: When people either genuinely or condescendingly ask fans of Karlach like me "Aren't you satisfied that you got this? Why are you asking for more?" My answer is no.
While I admire the quick work and appreciate the grueling effort it must've taken, that's not what we asked for -- that's something that clearly should've been there at launch. Other characters are also lacking in this regard, and if (or when) they get more fleshed-out conclusions, you shouldn't take it as a gift. Plenty of people praised Larian for delivering what other studios couldn't -- a complete product on release. They should earn that praise.
But this seems to be what was cut from the epilogue, and even then it's just for your companions. Even then it's still missing permutations like if Tav stays human.
Not sure how much I buy that they cut it because it was too long cause I doubt it'd be longer than 10-20mins what with different permutations. That and they spent money getting it VO'd to only decide after that it's too long.
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While I admire the quick work and appreciate the grueling effort it must've taken, that's not what we asked for
Not sure how much I buy that they cut it because it was too long cause I doubt it'd be longer than 10-20mins what with different permutations. That and they spent money getting it VO'd to only decide after that it's too long.
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While I admire the quick work and appreciate the grueling effort it must've taken, that's not what we asked for
That and it looks super rushed and hilarious.
I didn't mean it like that. I think it's a good scene on its own and a very emotional one for a lot of people. Zentu felt very strongly about it, likely inspiring this thread.
What I meant to say was that while we asked for Larian to expand upon obvious clues regarding a fix for her engine (Gondians, enriched infernal iron), we instead got this cutscene.
As for that video, from what I remember, Swen said that the final parts of Act 3 felt to him like they were already overstaying their welcome even without the epilogues, so they decided to cut those out. But they'll be adding the epilogues back, likely re-recorded and hopefully with accompanying scenes or at least some motion graphics.
I didn't mean it like that. I think it's a good scene on its own and a very emotional one for a lot of people.
Fair, I don't have that connection and it was just an offhand comment about how I found the cutscene to be just very out of place in a fantasy game, and thus hilarious (the end of it at least).
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As for that video, from what I remember, Swen said that the final parts of Act 3 felt to him like they were already overstaying their welcome even without the epilogues, so they decided to cut those out.
Eh? Idk what he counts as final parts, but the docks scene is, what, 5 minutes? Even worst if your a Gith and go off with Lae'zel then it's just "Welp, cya, I'm out". Could've just done simple text only Ending slides ¯\_(?)_/¯.
As most people have been saying here, tragic endings are fine, great even, but the ending we've been handed in Bg3 is not what we're disatisfied with. We're disatisfied because it feels cut and prompt, and quite frankly, poorly executed. In my honest opionion, it felt like a lot was somehow missing in act 3. Quests and other small things just didn't add up or felt rushed and almost like "oh... oh, so that was it?" I don't know... Act 3 feels abrupt and "tidied up" in a hasty sort of way. That's what - I for one - feel disappointed with. That, and I wish there were more companion interaction throughout act 3 in particular. In comparison to act 1 and 2 it's almost dead quiet.
Don't get me wrong, Act 3 is still great but it doesn't hold up to Act 1 and 2.
Leaving endings open is one thing, but it could definitely be done even if we get more closure to our endings. I'm sure a grand tavern scene can play out fantastically even if a certain companion died along the way, for instance.
I'm sure a lot of this has to do with Upper city and Outer city being cut out of the game, at least in Karlach's case. My bet has always been that they had to cut Upper and Outer city fairly close to launch - even though they might not have wanted or planned to do so - for either/both financial and time reasons, which would be understandable. Swen even did say at some point that they, kind of, had to round it off since Bg3 had been out in EA for far longer than they had initially anticipated. And the actors had been in the booths even on release week, so. It makes sense, really.
Here's to hoping that they will add it back ( to some degree ) in a Definite Edition. And if not, then I hope we at least will be getting our much deserved ending, hopefully with a tavern scenario.
Well i actually dont Beleave anymore that they will Improve or Gave us anything new in this game.. i do Beleave that they will Fix the game at Least but improve on anything and gave us the proper endings we hope for ? Nah.. forget it.. they went Silence for almost a Mounth by now.. and the only thing i see around the internet is Praise for Then the Only few like us that actually want the game finished is F. they Dont Give a F. for us anymore and i beleave that they already moved on with there lives.. like any other company do nowadays.. and if yu think im been too harsh saying this.. will just Say that.. They at the moment are like CD Project Red and yu all know what happens to a company when people praise then so much.. so Just Cut in Half Expectations for anything better in this game.. we are F. and thats it.. but at Least we can get a Non buggy experience i hope.
Larian didn't go "silent". They're on break, my dude. I don't think you appreciate how exhausting this game must've been for them. Have some empathy.
I've done both heavy menial labor and long hours in front of the PC. I'd go back to lugging stones and plywood all day if the pay was even half decent.
Maybe yu are Wright and im in the wrong becouse of past experiences i had with companys shitting in my head.. but in My Real life i only take a Break and Vacation when my Job is Done. witch in my opinion its no what i think there game is.. but ok just praise then even more and evrything will be ok..xD huahauhauha
But this seems to be what was cut from the epilogue, and even then it's just for your companions. Even then it's still missing permutations like if Tav stays human.
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While I admire the quick work and appreciate the grueling effort it must've taken, that's not what we asked for
That and it looks super rushed and hilarious.
Though I'm happy to hear that they have the recordings for the epilogue, but good gracious, it seems that the whole thing is about Karlach... it seems like all you hear is Karlach this and Karlach that. What about if Gale was to romance Shadowheart, or Astarion to romance Laezel, all you get is a generic "your partner" and a half a sentence afterwards... seems like some origins get a whole lot more voiced permutations, others get a short end of a stick. I guess we all supposed to romance Karlach to get more then one sentence in the epilogue
As an eternal optimist I believe they are working on some other patch. Before the last patch, there were also several weeks of 'silence'.
And they do listen to fans, at least in some cases - for example added Avernus ending for Karlach and 're-shaved His Majesty', so let's be optimistic!
I don't care how long it would take, I can wait a year or two if it would mean they will polish the last Act and the whole ending to have qualities of the previous Acts.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for waiting if we get more than one mentioning of a spouse/partner in the end. It seems from the video that what you get is a measly one word about of your partner/spouse unless it's Karlach or illithid.
I've followed Larian for years, played in EA, watched their Panel's from Hell, etc.
Knowing Larian and how much Swen, the actors, writers, and everyone involved genuinely cares and love their game, and all the things they've taken into consideration and changed ( because we asked them to ) over the years - I would be very surprised if they didn't change things and give us a better ending that so many of us have so desperately been asking for. Hells, I'd even be surprised if they didn't add extra content for us in a Definite Edition. They've already clarified in their patch notes that they're planning on expanding and fleshing out the epilog, we just can't expect them to be done with it within a couple of months, it takes time. Besides, they've earned their rest.
Again, this is very much in tune to what they did with DOS as well.
Not everyone is optimistic but if you've followed Larian for some time, their continuous effort should be a testament to their genuinity. I, for one, have hope.
Ive been hearing people say this a lot since the last weeks.. like they always keep suport for the games and all.. but i dont know Man.. i wish i could be so Optmistic like yu.. know i dont expect anything from this game anymore, actually i just want it fixed so i can try one last time and move on with my life. just that. (i Loved the Game in Act 1,2 and it was a Blast for me but.. act 3 and the ending just Broke me reaaally hard.. im kinda jealous of the people that could really enjoy that.. becouse i could not sorry.) made me fell really empty. sad as F. that feeling dont wish it to Nobody its the kind of thing that made me stop playing back in the day when Cyberpunk came out.. (yeah i gave up on gaming for almost 3 years after that stuff.) and the most sad part of it, this game was actually the first one in almost 10 years that made my heart beat for something.. maybe that is why the act 3 and the endings hurt me so much. Same shit all over again. crap.
Though I'm happy to hear that they have the recordings for the epilogue, but good gracious, it seems that the whole thing is about Karlach... it seems like all you hear is Karlach this and Karlach that. What about if Gale was to romance Shadowheart, or Astarion to romance Laezel, all you get is a genetic "your partner" and a half a sentence afterwards... seems like some origins get a whole lot more voiced permutations, others get a short end of a stick. I guess we all supposed to romance Karlach to get more then one sentence in the epilogue
The reason why you're hearing more about Karlach is because she and Wyll are the ones that need the most work. Astarion has a long, fleshed-out questline. Shadowheart and Lae'zel also have long, meaningful, and story-aligned quests. Even Gale has more going for him where his personal questline is concerned.
Yes, maybe their conclusions might be a bit dry, but at least the ride there was stellar. Meanwhile, if you're following Karlach's story, you get to watch the woman you love die slowly as you sit there unable to do anything but two fetch quests. And then you get to watch her turn into a squid, explode, or you get to light one up in hell.
You must understand how unfair this feels to us. If I could give you a better romance for your favorite character in exchange for a better storyline for her, I would do that swap in a heartbeat.
