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Originally Posted by Dext. Paladin
Originally Posted by fylimar
Oh, of course, be sarcastic, if you don't have arguments. My problem with your statement is, that you advocate against a companion in this thread, but want Alfira as a bard companion in the other thread - I mean, it is pretty obvious, where you come from 'Shut the Helia crowd up, so that we get the hot tiefling'. At least it looks like that to me.
You didn't bring a good reason apart from 'The devs probably have a reason for that' - which honestly can be said as well about Alfira.

I actually feels so bad for you that you feel strong emotions towards this speculation because I don't.

Yes, the same logic can be applied to Alfira and it bother me none.

No, I don't want to "Shut the helia crows up, so that we get the hot tiefling". You're seeing phantom of your own imagining.

My reason isn't just because "Developer has their own reason", but also because new companions means new variables. Just like adding sub-class and new race, and best believe I will posting similar concern that Larian should focus more on adding content instead of adding race/companion/class.

I don't have strong emotions of any kind. I like the game as it is, but if the last years have shown me something, than if you campaign enough for a character, it might happen.
I just found it interesting, that you didn't bring the same argument in the Alfira thread and instead wrote, that you are not interested in Helia, but very much in Alfira. That makes me raise an eyebrow, despite of what you claim here. And then you get all snarky if someone points it out. I don't assume ill will here, I just point out, what it looks like, that is all.

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I don't know about Helia, but I know Alfira.

I want Alfira.

And btw: a new companion can be considered as adding content, as can new classes, races. If you mean story content for the existing story, I don't disagree, there are parts, that could use some fleshing out, but that would be something for a new thread imo, because it will go under in threads that are about different, specific topics.

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Originally Posted by fylimar
I don't have strong emotions of any kind. I like the game as it is, but if the last years have shown me something, than if you campaign enough for a character, it might happen.
I just found it interesting, that you didn't bring the same argument in the Alfira thread and instead wrote, that you are not interested in Helia, but very much in Alfira. That makes me raise an eyebrow, despite of what you claim here. And then you get all snarky if someone points it out. I don't assume ill will here, I just point out, what it looks like, that is all.

And btw: a new companion can be considered as adding content, as can new classes, races. If you mean story content for the existing story, I don't disagree, there are parts, that could use some fleshing out, but that would be something for a new thread imo, because it will go under in threads that are about different, specific topics.

You don't? Because 30-40% post here are yours. It's basically rehearse of Bex and his fiancee dialogue in the grove.

"Very much" is a strong one. Because I believe my post you saw about Alfira might be the first ones I typed the name "Alfira". I would say "In passing". - Just look at my signature. So again, phantom of your own imagining. You won't see me "campaigning" about it.

No I meant content as in quest, as in Story DLC - that will work with the variables imposed with established characters, class and races.

But again, for now I would prefer Larian to fix their game, add FSR2, release the game to XBOX, and make sure performance improves in all platform. Only then let's talk about new things.

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There was a bard companion planned: Helia, the werewolf halfling bard. If we will get a bard, I want it to be Helia.
I don't know about Helia, but I know Alfira.

I want Alfira.

Sounds "very much" ardent argument pro-Alfira argument from known Alfirist(?) trying to sabotage Helia-ist' opinion.

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Originally Posted by Dext. Paladin
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I don't have strong emotions of any kind. I like the game as it is, but if the last years have shown me something, than if you campaign enough for a character, it might happen.
I just found it interesting, that you didn't bring the same argument in the Alfira thread and instead wrote, that you are not interested in Helia, but very much in Alfira. That makes me raise an eyebrow, despite of what you claim here. And then you get all snarky if someone points it out. I don't assume ill will here, I just point out, what it looks like, that is all.

And btw: a new companion can be considered as adding content, as can new classes, races. If you mean story content for the existing story, I don't disagree, there are parts, that could use some fleshing out, but that would be something for a new thread imo, because it will go under in threads that are about different, specific topics.

You don't? Because 30-40% post here are yours. It's basically rehearse of Bex and his fiancee dialogue in the grove.

"Very much" is a strong one. Because I believe my post you saw about Alfira might be the first ones I typed the name "Alfira". I would say "In passing". - Just look at my signature. So again, phantom of your own imagining. You won't see me "campaigning" about it.

No I meant content as in quest, as in Story DLC - that will work with the variables imposed with established characters, class and races.

But again, for now I would prefer Larian to fix their game, add FSR2, release the game to XBOX, and make sure performance improves in all platform. Only then let's talk about new things.

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Originally Posted by fylimar
There was a bard companion planned: Helia, the werewolf halfling bard. If we will get a bard, I want it to be Helia.
I don't know about Helia, but I know Alfira.

I want Alfira.



Whatever - you obviously have enough of a strong opinion to come in here and discuss with me. And yes, I'm writing here a lot, because I like the idea of a halfling bard companion and a companion of the smaller races in general, that is not exactly a secret in this forum. Doesn't mean, I'm obsessed, just means that I try my luck as long as Larian is working on the game, same as most of the others do in various trheads.

Originally Posted by Dext. Paladin
Sounds "very much" ardent argument pro-Alfira argument from known Alfirist(?) trying to sabotage Helia-ist' opinion.

Sarcasm again and I already said, that the fact, you go in there to support that character and come here to tell us that fixing content is more important than a new character, does say something, even if you said it once.

If you want other game related stuff, I suggest to make a thread for that and not hijack trheads with a completely different topic, where your point will probably will get lost.
As I said: I do agree with you, that the game needs fixing and more fleshing out of existing stuff, but considering the success of the game, there might be DLCs or an ultimate edition, where new companions might be a thing.

And of course you are free to see me as the crazy halfling-obsessed lady, I don't really care about that.

So can we agree to end this here? You said your stuff, I said my stuff.

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This thread has been around for quite a while and things aren't added to it that frequently.

Yes, I and some others do like to keep it alive and throw in a reminder from time to time that we still think there should have been a halfling with a class that complements the existing companions.

So it is not a particularly pushy or intensive campaign compared to what other fans are requesting.

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Originally Posted by fylimar
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Agreed. Kinda funny though.

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I appreciate the explanation but personally I'm struggling to see this as a "campaign" at all.

Most of the thread is literally "what would you like the hair color be?" "I like bigger wolf form with certain fur color" (read this paragraph with Karlach voice not lae'zel voice).

I personally think it's better to talk about -what is actually in the data pulled from the game- and how it is connected and possibly implemented with the current state of the game.

Just an idea.

I wish you good luck.


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Originally Posted by Dext. Paladin
Originally Posted by fylimar
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Agreed. Kinda funny though.

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I appreciate the explanation but personally I'm struggling to see this as a "campaign" at all.

Most of the thread is literally "what would you like the hair color be?" "I like bigger wolf form with certain fur color" (read this paragraph with Karlach voice not lae'zel voice).

I personally think it's better to talk about -what is actually in the data pulled from the game- and how it is connected and possibly implemented with the current state of the game.

Just an idea.

I wish you good luck.

There are people, me among them, who are speculating about how Helia could be implemented into the story. There was one guy who made fun of the size of the wolf shape of a halfling and I think it should be clear, how to take something like that. And I don't remember ever talking about Helias hair color. We did talk about how halflings need an overhaul, with a nod to Niaras very detailed thread in the suggestion forum.
So coming into a thread and making fun of it and the participant is not good form and I would advise to not do that.


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Honestly I just want a sexy female bard companion, Them being a werewolf is just the cherry on top, Helia sounds amazing if implemented, but if we don't get her, Alfira is still a good understudy.

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Originally Posted by Sai the Elf
Honestly I just want a sexy female bard companion, Them being a werewolf is just the cherry on top, Helia sounds amazing if implemented, but if we don't get her, Alfira is still a good understudy.

The sexy was the problem with the last companion, we got, as you can see in the countless threads popping up regarding a certain bulky druid.
I prefer a well-written character with a good story tbh.


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Originally Posted by fylimar
Originally Posted by Sai the Elf
Honestly I just want a sexy female bard companion, Them being a werewolf is just the cherry on top, Helia sounds amazing if implemented, but if we don't get her, Alfira is still a good understudy.

The sexy was the problem with the last companion, we got, as you can see in the countless threads popping up regarding a certain bulky druid.
I prefer a well-written character with a good story tbh.
Sexiness was one of the reasons, the other one is because he was added in last minute, the writing for him had to be rushed, (it was also tone deaf and involved making him toxic, pretty sure his writer just hated him), Helia on the other hand was on the drawing board for much longer, I'm 90% sure Helia would already have good writing for her character.

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Well i would like a Lot More Alfira and in my Opinion she dosent need to be romance i would like her as Jaheira or Minsc yu know.. yu cant romance..
and she already have someone in the game dont want to get in the way..(im not like Halsin or Gael. xD)
but i would like to Teach her to be a F. Badass Hero for herself and for her teacher memory if yu actually bother to talk to her yu will understand me..
and indeed Bards are Cool as F. in the Game a class that is Always overlooked in many games here its actually cool. like in table top.xD
(Yu can always pull some Crazy things with a Bard in your Party.. trust me. and a good laught too. xD)

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Originally Posted by Thorvic
Well i would like a Lot More Alfira and in my Opinion she dosent need to be romance i would like her as Jaheira or Minsc yu know.. yu cant romance..
and she already have someone in the game dont want to get in the way..(im not like Halsin or Gael. xD)
but i would like to Teach her to be a F. Badass Hero for herself and for her teacher memory if yu actually bother to talk to her yu will understand me..
and indeed Bards are Cool as F. in the Game a class that is Always overlooked in many games here its actually cool. like in table top.xD
(Yu can always pull some Crazy things with a Bard in your Party.. trust me. and a good laught too. xD)
So another Tiefling.
No thanks I rather have Helia as first "short" companion and with a interesting gimmick if written well (especially if she can bite the PC like Astarion later can)

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Huhauha
i Dont like Karlach so i would love to make a exchange for Alfira but yu are not wrong another thiefling would be bad i just want another class rather then a second useless druid. and he actually creep the hell aot of me with those lines..like some nighmare when i have to keep refusing him to lay of with me. jesus.
(just make a Switch in the game to make her a NPC and alfira take her place in my run.. hauhauhauha)

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Originally Posted by Thorvic
Huhauha
i Dont like Karlach so i would love to make a exchange for Alfira but yu are not wrong another thiefling would be bad i just want another class rather then a second useless druid. and he actually creep the hell aot of me with those lines..like some nighmare when i have to keep refusing him to lay of with me. jesus.
(just make a Switch in the game to make her a NPC and alfira take her place in my run.. hauhauhauha)

Well, in that case, do me a solid and go to the Alfira thread. This thread is about Helia, not Alfira and not about disliking Karlach (why has that even crept into that thread?)

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Originally Posted by Sai the Elf
Honestly I just want a sexy female bard companion, Them being a werewolf is just the cherry on top, Helia sounds amazing if implemented, but if we don't get her, Alfira is still a good understudy.

The sexy was the problem with the last companion, we got, as you can see in the countless threads popping up regarding a certain bulky druid.
I prefer a well-written character with a good story tbh.
Sexiness was one of the reasons, the other one is because he was added in last minute, the writing for him had to be rushed, (it was also tone deaf and involved making him toxic, pretty sure his writer just hated him), Helia on the other hand was on the drawing board for much longer, I'm 90% sure Helia would already have good writing for her character.

I agree, that Helia probably would have had a better story, since she was in development for longer. I just get very afraid and paranoid, when people say some character has to be sexy, because of the Halsin incident.


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Originally Posted by Thorvic
Well i would like a Lot More Alfira and in my Opinion she dosent need to be romance i would like her as Jaheira or Minsc yu know.. yu cant romance..
and she already have someone in the game dont want to get in the way..(im not like Halsin or Gael. xD)
but i would like to Teach her to be a F. Badass Hero for herself and for her teacher memory if yu actually bother to talk to her yu will understand me..
and indeed Bards are Cool as F. in the Game a class that is Always overlooked in many games here its actually cool. like in table top.xD
(Yu can always pull some Crazy things with a Bard in your Party.. trust me. and a good laught too. xD)
So another Tiefling.
No thanks I rather have Helia as first "short" companion and with a interesting gimmick if written well (especially if she can bite the PC like Astarion later can)

I agree and I think, that she would fit really well into the story - we could maybe find her near the hags teahouse, because she is desperate to be cured from her condition. I think, some of the soundfiles might even hint at a bit more with the hag, maybe she was investigate the hag.
There is even someone in act 3, who might be a werewolf (since I'm sure, that character is not a druid, but a cleric:
it's Shadowhearts father, who can turn into a wolf. He could very well have ties to Helias story, which would tie her in with Shadowhearts story. Or the brainwashed werewolves in Cazadors palace could be tied to Helia, which in turn could tie her story to Astarions

I think, this character is just a missed opportunity: one of the small races, a class, that is not taken by another companion and is very useful in game, a potentially interesting background story, that could give us more lore about DnD werewolves. More lore and story is always good.


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Originally Posted by fylimar
Originally Posted by Ixal
Originally Posted by Thorvic
Well i would like a Lot More Alfira and in my Opinion she dosent need to be romance i would like her as Jaheira or Minsc yu know.. yu cant romance..
and she already have someone in the game dont want to get in the way..(im not like Halsin or Gael. xD)
but i would like to Teach her to be a F. Badass Hero for herself and for her teacher memory if yu actually bother to talk to her yu will understand me..
and indeed Bards are Cool as F. in the Game a class that is Always overlooked in many games here its actually cool. like in table top.xD
(Yu can always pull some Crazy things with a Bard in your Party.. trust me. and a good laught too. xD)
So another Tiefling.
No thanks I rather have Helia as first "short" companion and with a interesting gimmick if written well (especially if she can bite the PC like Astarion later can)

I agree and I think, that she would fit really well into the story - we could maybe find her near the hags teahouse, because she is desperate to be cured from her condition. I think, some of the soundfiles might even hint at a bit more with the hag, maybe she was investigate the hag.
There is even someone in act 3, who might be a werewolf (since I'm sure, that character is not a druid, but a cleric:
it's Shadowhearts father, who can turn into a wolf. He could very well have ties to Helias story, which would tie her in with Shadowhearts story. Or the brainwashed werewolves in Cazadors palace could be tied to Helia, which in turn could tie her story to Astarions

I think, this character is just a missed opportunity: one of the small races, a class, that is not taken by another companion and is very useful in game, a potentially interesting background story, that could give us more lore about DnD werewolves. More lore and story is always good.
And lets not forget some interesting interplay with Shadowheart.

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Already did that Sorry anyway i will never again post in anything yu ever make..
dont need to get so pissed of about some simple coments.. see ya good lucky bro.. i wish yu can get Helia as yu really want..

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Originally Posted by Thorvic
Already did that Sorry anyway i will never again post in anything yu ever make..
dont need to get so pissed of about some simple coments.. see ya good lucky bro.. i wish yu can get Helia as yu really want..
I wasn't pissed, I just gave the suggestion to go to the Alfira thread. And you weren't exactly friendly here.


And btw, I didn't make the thread.

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Originally Posted by Ixal
And lets not forget some interesting interplay with Shadowheart.

That's right, I forgot that totally.


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If Helia could turn us into a Werewolf I would 100% demand her in the party. My favorite character I ever played in a tabletop campaign was a lycanthrope believer in Selûne. This game already made me super happy that it had Shar/Selûne content at all, but being able to get another layer deeper into it would be amazing cuz YOU KNOW there'd be lycanthrope dialogue flags for that.

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Originally Posted by Auric
If Helia could turn us into a Werewolf I would 100% demand her in the party. My favorite character I ever played in a tabletop campaign was a lycanthrope believer in Selûne. This game already made me super happy that it had Shar/Selûne content at all, but being able to get another layer deeper into it would be amazing cuz YOU KNOW there'd be lycanthrope dialogue flags for that.

Yeah, that would be really neat. I'm a bit sad, that lycanthropy isn't really in the game, apart from those werewolfs in Cazadors palace.


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